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arthurspiderman wrote: ↑Tue Aug 01, 2023 6:58 pm
The fact that Erin is blocking everyone asking about Culebra is clear as day to me that she didn’t summit the peak. This is an incredibly immoral and unethical breach of transparency. It was a great time she set, but not being forthright about her Culebra skip is unfortunately par for the course based on her track record.
I highly respect Erin as an athlete but her disgusting comments in this forum and dishonesty about FKTs is nothing but childish. Adding Culebra would certainly have put her above the time she was trying to beat but I’m not surprised she’s been banned from the property after the vulgar comments she made about Carlos the first time she got caught. In all but fantasyland the skipping of a peak will disqualify a FKT.
Hope she can grow up.
What an impressive achievement from Erin!! 57 peaks in less than 14 days and 1/2 is amazing by any, any standard!
How do labels as "immoral" and "unethical" find their way in this characterization is just astounding!
Congratulations Erin!!!
The problem here is she has claimed beating both previous self supported record holder and the supported record holder when in fact she has not done either of those. As her time would have been well over Danelle’s and over Dan’s time if she had included that peak
But she was not transparent about that and she was deceptive and that is the definition of unethical.
I guess it’s cool to sh*t talk others because obviously you’re better than them.
I’ll be the first to admit- I usually just browse this forum, was never a member, but yes, I joined to put in my own two sense, that in the end doesn’t matter, but maybe, just maybe, will help teach this girl a lesson.
It’s better to be kind and humble, rather than arrogant and famous.
Can anyone imagine Hamilton, Chris, Andrea, Dan or any other record holder talking like this?
Disgusting
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I created this thread to clean up Chris Fisher's 2023 14er Speed Record thread by removing the discussion about Erin Ton's claim of now holding the women's FKT for completing the 14ers but having excluded one of the accessible peaks, Culebra.
Since Erin excluded Culebra but is claiming a Colorado 14ers speed record (FKT), I think it's appropriate to have a discussion about it here. It is unfortunate and I wish she was forthright about the claim instead of choosing not to mention Culebra and blocking those who question it. I, too, have been blocked from viewing her Instagram despite not having commented on her IG post.
I think it's important to mention that while Culebra Peak is privately owned, it is an accessible 14er and has always been included in FKT speed attempts and completions, including the latest speed record set by Chris.
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I just don't get the whole ABC thing in general really. Yes it costs money but all do in some way. Culebra is a wonderful peak and looks like all peaks looked like before trails were added.
As far as this claim --- what a shame as her time was amazing as it was and adding Culebra would not break the record but it would have been amazing regardless.
It sure seems that there is a productive solution where Erin can communicate/claim the FKT for the ABC variation of the FKT record (which could be very helpful for future folks to have apple-to-apples comparison if Culebra is not in the cards). The FKT site makes this easy: https://fastestknowntime.com/guidelines. The most obvious comparison is that there is a separate variation for Nolans (14 peaks) vs Holy Nolans (15 peaks), but it is not hard to find asterisks/qualifications for efforts on Trans-Zion, Presidential Traverse, PCT, etc.
I'm guessing Erin will point out that Danelle's self-supported record was only 55 peaks, and Erin did 57. However, given the "modern" understanding of 58 peaks, a conscious decision to avoid a peak seems to qualify a variation, not an evolution. (Plus the record-holder Daniel Hobbs completed 58, therefore implying a matched attempt to compete in good style).
I equally hope that Erin will revise/clarify the description of her record and that the 14er community can applaud her mind-blowing effort.
jchapell wrote: ↑Wed Aug 02, 2023 8:02 amI equally hope that Erin will revise/clarify the description of her record and that the 14er community can applaud her mind-blowing effort.
Agreed. As well as show a bit of humility and stop bashing other hikers for hiking. I don't understand that.
Fascism, xenophobia, racism, and ignorance are not inevitable—they are choices. And so are compassion, understanding, and justice. Educate yourself and choose better.
BillMiddlebrook wrote: ↑Wed Aug 02, 2023 7:04 am
I created this thread to clean up Chris Fisher's 2023 14er Speed Record thread by removing the discussion about Erin Ton's claim of now holding the women's FKT for completing the 14ers but having excluded one of the accessible peaks, Culebra.
Since Erin excluded Culebra but is claiming a Colorado 14ers speed record (FKT), I think it's appropriate to have a discussion about it here. It is unfortunate and I wish she was forthright about the claim instead of choosing not to mention Culebra and blocking those who question it. I, too, have been blocked from viewing her Instagram despite not having commented on her IG post.
I think it's important to mention that while Culebra Peak is privately owned, it is an accessible 14er and has always been included in FKT speed attempts and completions, including the latest speed record set by Chris.
Off topic but thank you for all of the good work you've done with this website. You're practically one of the best mod I've seen in my 20ish years of interneting. Keep up the good work!
MelissaM wrote: ↑Wed Aug 02, 2023 6:35 amIt’s better to be kind and humble, rather than arrogant and famous.
Can anyone imagine Hamilton, Chris, Andrea, Dan or any other record holder talking like this?
Disgusting
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^ With regard to the Strava screenshot above...cultivating disdain towards the outdoors community whose admiration you desire is an interesting approach. Of course, I doubt she'd disparage the average 14er hiker on Instagram, because that would hurt her brand. But Strava is only for her fellow elite...one of several cultural reasons I refuse to use that app.
At what point do sponsors become aware of this sort of attitude problem? If La Sportiva sees all this and just doesn't care, it would lessen my opinion of the brand.
If she had been forthright about ABC, or made amends with the ranch, and more importantly if she demonstrated some kindness towards people who aren't as extreme as her, I'm sure this discussion would go in an entirely different direction. A little self-reflection wouldn't diminish her athletic accomplishment at all!
1. Her achievement is incredible.
2. She did not achieve the women's FKT - she skipped summitting an accessible peak on the well established list that the current record holders established and adhered to.
3. Her social media commentary is disgusting and entitled.
