14er Naming Conventions

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14er Naming Conventions

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I am working on an art project using the names of the 14ers. I see that some names have Peak attached to the name and some do not. Some begin with Mount or Mountain and most do not. For example I would like to use Bierstadt instead of Mount Bierstadt in the project. I don't want to be rude and leave out part of the proper name if I don't include Peak, Mt., Mount or Mountain. Please advise to the correct way to present the names. Thank You.
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Probably the correct way is including Mt. and Peak and whatever else, but I wouldn't think calling Mt. Bierstadt "Bierstadt" is going to bring the wrath of the mountain gods on you.
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You definitely want to call them Crestone Peak, Crestone Needle, Mt. Wilson and Wilson Peak.

You may want to use Snowmass Mountain and Sunshine Peak, as there exist ranked 13ers named Snowmass Peak and Sunshine Mountain. Also several 13ers have the designation "Pyramid", so "Pyramid Peak" makes it explicit.

If you're including North Eolus, it officially doesn't have a descriptor.

Kit Carson Peak is the highest summit of Kit Carson Mountain; KC Mountain is the entire massif that includes Challenger and Columbia. So if you use anything for KC make sure it's "Peak".

The other 14ers are unambiguous, so leaving off the descriptors should not cause any confusion or offense, although who knows what offends people these days.
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TravelingMatt wrote: Fri Nov 08, 2019 9:54 am You definitely want to call them Crestone Peak, Crestone Needle, Mt. Wilson and Wilson Peak.

You may want to use Snowmass Mountain and Sunshine Peak, as there exist ranked 13ers named Snowmass Peak and Sunshine Mountain. Also several 13ers have the designation "Pyramid", so "Pyramid Peak" makes it explicit.

If you're including North Eolus, it officially doesn't have a descriptor.

Kit Carson Peak is the highest summit of Kit Carson Mountain; KC Mountain is the entire massif that includes Challenger and Columbia. So if you use anything for KC make sure it's "Peak".

The other 14ers are unambiguous, so leaving off the descriptors should not cause any confusion or offense, although who knows what offends people these days.
I'm trying to decide if I'm offended by your suggestion that 'people' might be offended, and whether my being offended simply proves your point.

Mostly, I find Cameron's inclusion on lists embarrassing rather than offensive, but, hey, it's a weekend...might as well get my knickers in a knot over something or what will I do with my time?
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susandreece wrote: Fri Nov 08, 2019 8:23 am I am working on an art project using the names of the 14ers. I see that some names have Peak attached to the name and some do not. Some begin with Mount or Mountain and most do not. For example I would like to use Bierstadt instead of Mount Bierstadt in the project. I don't want to be rude and leave out part of the proper name if I don't include Peak, Mt., Mount or Mountain. Please advise to the correct way to present the names. Thank You.
RE:OP - if you're doing an art project, f- what people might say on nomenclature. Any such commentary says really nothing about you but perhaps a bit about them. Call 'em what you like.
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zinj wrote: Fri Nov 08, 2019 2:29 pm ...might as well get my knickers in a knot over something or what will I do with my time?
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I say take your artistic license and call them whatever you like.

Also, this thread wouldn't be complete without my favorite sign:
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I'm genuinely curious about this in a more generic sense: Is there a reason that some are Mount, Peak, Mountain, etc. or is it up to the discretion of the climber/cartographer/surveyor whom first named it? In other words, does geography, height, shape have anything to do with it? I doubt it, but you never know???
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Vincopotamus wrote: Fri Nov 08, 2019 3:57 pm Also, this thread wouldn't be complete without my favorite sign:
Snowmass Village is officially "The Town of Snowmass Village." ...err, sooo are you a village or a town? :-k
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Vincopotamus wrote: Fri Nov 08, 2019 3:57 pm I say take your artistic license and call them whatever you like.

Also, this thread wouldn't be complete without my favorite sign:
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KState14er wrote: Sat Nov 09, 2019 3:40 pm I'm genuinely curious about this in a more generic sense: Is there a reason that some are Mount, Peak, Mountain, etc. or is it up to the discretion of the climber/cartographer/surveyor whom first named it? In other words, does geography, height, shape have anything to do with it? I doubt it, but you never know???
I think I read somewhere that Peak generally suggests a more pointed or steep shape to the mountain than Mount or Mountain. But there are a lot of examples where this doesn't hold true. A lot climbers I talk to about fourteeners (and other mountains) commonly refer to them by just their name, omitting Peak, Mt etc., except when needed for clarity, like with the Crestones or the Wilsons. Then when we're in the area we'll refer to them as The Peak & The Needle.
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