Challenger Point is Not Ranked!

[Teresa Gergen]

Prominence is the next ranking criterion after elevation, followed by isolation.

Ah yes, that makes much more sense. And sweet, it looks like Trinity will be #100.

This only has to do with how you place them in order on a list (it was a decision made by LOJ in its early days), not with what you have to climb to complete a list. If you are pursuing an elevation threshold list, such as the Highest Whatever, and there is an elevation tie at the bottom cutoff elevation, you have always had to climb all of the ranked peaks with the tied elevation to complete the list. For example, on the pre-LiDAR Bicentennial list, you have always had to climb 202 peaks.

[HikerGuy]

This only has to do with how you place them in order on a list (it was a decision made by LOJ in its early days), not with what you have to climb to complete a list. If you are pursuing an elevation threshold list, such as the Highest Whatever, and there is an elevation tie at the bottom cutoff elevation, you have always had to climb all of the ranked peaks with the tied elevation to complete the list. For example, on the pre-LiDAR Bicentennial list, you have always had to climb 202 peaks.

Oh, I am well aware of this. I'm just fond of Trinity Peak and happy to see it at 100. But it's good to point it out for the folks working on the Centennials as it's not something that had to be considered in the past unlike the Bicents. And for me personally, as I close in on completing* the Bicents, I plan to climb the map contour list and any peaks that sort up from the new LiDAR analysis.

*I won't be a finisher though, as for right now I don't plan on hiking Vermejo and Purgatoire.

[bdloftin77]

This only has to do with how you place them in order on a list (it was a decision made by LOJ in its early days), not with what you have to climb to complete a list. If you are pursuing an elevation threshold list, such as the Highest Whatever, and there is an elevation tie at the bottom cutoff elevation, you have always had to climb all of the ranked peaks with the tied elevation to complete the list. For example, on the pre-LiDAR Bicentennial list, you have always had to climb 202 peaks.

Oh, I am well aware of this. I'm just fond of Trinity Peak and happy to see it at 100. But it's good to point it out for the folks working on the Centennials as it's not something that had to be considered in the past unlike the Bicents. And for me personally, as I close in on finishing the Bicents, I plan to climb the map contour list and any peaks that sort in from the new LiDAR analysis.

Thanks for your input, guys.

John just updated the lidar page with the results.

I also looked at Fishers Peak and Fishers Peak Mesa, and Fishers Peak pulled out ahead (which I appreciated). The high point on the Mesa is the one you visited on the east of the pipeline road, Teresa.

[PJ88]

Prominence is the next ranking criterion after elevation, followed by isolation.

Ah yes, that makes much more sense. And sweet, it looks like Trinity will be #100.

Does that mean that Niagara falls off the list?

[HikerGuy]

Does that mean that Niagara falls off the list?

Nope. See Teresa's post above. Niagara will be listed as 101, but since it is tied with Trinity it is a Centennial and is part of that list. Teakettle and Dallas have been bumped off the Centennial list according to updated LiDAR elevations.

[PJ88]

Does that mean that Niagara falls off the list?

Nope. See Teresa's post above. Niagara will be listed as 101, but since it is tied with Trinity it is a Centennial and is part of that list. Teakettle and Dallas have been bumped off the Centennial list according to updated LiDAR elevations.

Sorry, it was just a bad joke that I couldn't stop myself from making.

[HikerGuy]

Does that mean that Niagara falls off the list?

Nope. See Teresa's post above. Niagara will be listed as 101, but since it is tied with Trinity it is a Centennial and is part of that list. Teakettle and Dallas have been bumped off the Centennial list according to updated LiDAR elevations.

Sorry, it was just a bad joke that I couldn't stop myself from making.

Haha, whoooosh...right over my head.

[bdloftin77]

Does that mean that Niagara falls off the list?

Nope. See Teresa's post above. Niagara will be listed as 101, but since it is tied with Trinity it is a Centennial and is part of that list. Teakettle and Dallas have been bumped off the Centennial list according to updated LiDAR elevations.

Sorry, it was just a bad joke that I couldn't stop myself from making.

Flew over my head, too!

[nmjameswilson]

Let’s be real tho, you may as well still climb Challenger since it’s the easiest way to Kit Carson and I assume most people will anyway.

But from South Colony lakes is way more fun.

[gb]

Let’s be real tho, you may as well still climb Challenger since it’s the easiest way to Kit Carson and I assume most people will anyway.

But from South Colony lakes is way more fun.

Exactly. With a basecamp in Colony lakes you can climb all 4 and skip the subpeak. That was the standard way for years until a few people decided to count the subpeak as a 14er.

[BillMiddlebrook]

Let’s be real tho, you may as well still climb Challenger since it’s the easiest way to Kit Carson and I assume most people will anyway.

But from South Colony lakes is way more fun.

Exactly. With a basecamp in Colony lakes you can climb all 4 and skip the subpeak. That was the standard way for years until a few people decided to count the subpeak as a 14er.

As well as provide an easier route by going over Challenger vs. going over Columbia. The traverse from Columbia to Kit Carson is no joke: Hard to keep it to Class 3 and has a high amount of exposure.

Having a separate, standard trailhead for Kit Carson also distributes the hikers more so South Colony doesn't get even more trashed than it already does.

[CaptainSuburbia]

But from South Colony lakes is way more fun.

Exactly. With a basecamp in Colony lakes you can climb all 4 and skip the subpeak. That was the standard way for years until a few people decided to count the subpeak as a 14er.

As well as provide an easier route by going over Challenger vs. going over Columbia. The traverse from Columbia to Kit Carson is no joke: Hard to keep it to Class 3 and has a high amount of exposure.

Having a separate, standard trailhead for Kit Carson also distributes the hikers more so South Colony doesn't get even more trashed than it already does.

Plus, I assume Challenger will remain on the list of 58. Meaning it's new status will not effect the majority of those climbing 14ers.