DeCaLiBron Closed to public access?

[stoopdude]

i have no intention of “respecting” their closure. mining companies can kiss my ass.

29:20 in the video.

IMO the "hiking community" should be more of "a problem" for these mining companies, as the guys says in the video.

[pizza-sandwich]

i have no intention of “respecting” their closure. mining companies can kiss my ass.

The non profit that built the trails you use for free to get to the summits, is also asking you to respect the closure. You want CFI to kiss your ass too?

it’s a values argument.

i reject capitalism in all its forms. private land ownership—especially in this example—is immoral.

the CFI is capitulating to unethical demands of unethical men and i will not do the same. anyone that holds land hostage can kiss my ass, anyone who respects their hostage taking isn’t someone i want to associate with.

[Salient]

How easily would one violate the request and trespass onto the summits anyway? I would think it would be easy to get away with.

[Jon Frohlich]

i reject capitalism in all its forms. private land ownership—especially in this example—is immoral.

I take it you don't own a house or a car (or even a bike) then.

Do you do everything via the barter system?

[AnnaG22]

i have no intention of “respecting” their closure. mining companies can kiss my ass.

The non profit that built the trails you use for free to get to the summits, is also asking you to respect the closure. You want CFI to kiss your ass too?

it’s a values argument.

i reject capitalism in all its forms. private land ownership—especially in this example—is immoral.

the CFI is capitulating to unethical demands of unethical men and i will not do the same. anyone that holds land hostage can kiss my ass, anyone who respects their hostage taking isn’t someone i want to associate with.

This is exactly why I think "right to roam" attempts will fail in the US for the foreseeable future. I do think that the American brand of unfettered capitalism is deeply problematic. But the sense of entitlement rampant in this country "I want to do what I want when I want and anybody who tells me otherwise can kiss my ass" leads to broad degradation of resources, both natural and societal. The mindset is "I'm ENTITLED to stand on top of this pile of rocks and dookie where I want, and fuq you if you tell me I can't" versus in places with functioning right to roam laws, the general view is "I am grateful that society has agreed to provision me access to this thing, but I also understand that I'm crossing a family's lawn or cow pasture, so I'm going to leave nothing but footprints and take nothing but pictures." It's a respect thing, not of institutions necessarily, but of other people.

Do I agree with the concept of wild spaces being privately owned? Not really. But I don't think that sheer hostility is the answer. To those saying that you'll go climb these peaks in spite of the closure: would you have cared/been planning to climb them between May 1 and June 1 if you didn't know about the closure? I'm going to hazard a guess that you probably weren't.

[AnnaG22]

i reject capitalism in all its forms. private land ownership—especially in this example—is immoral.

I take it you don't own a house or a car (or even a bike) then.

Do you do everything via the barter system?

Fun fact: barter system isn't actually a thing. Gift/goodwill cultures are, but they are distinct from the concept of the barter system as taught in schools. https://www.theatlantic.com/business/ar ... jtcHD55zw

[montanahiker]

i reject capitalism in all its forms. private land ownership—especially in this example—is immoral.

I take it you don't own a house or a car (or even a bike) then.

Do you do everything via the barter system?

Or a phone/computer. Apparently pizza-sandwich posts on 14ers from a public library. Must also beg for all his/her food. Wouldn't want to be a wage slave.

[stoopdude]

i reject capitalism in all its forms. private land ownership—especially in this example—is immoral.

I take it you don't own a house or a car (or even a bike) then.

Do you do everything via the barter system?

You can oppose capitalism while still being required to live within its confines, which means having to buy stuff.

[Dave B]

i reject capitalism in all its forms. private land ownership—especially in this example—is immoral.

Funny, I fell on a run last week so I decided to reject gravity in all its forms. Bruising my ego and scraping my knees is immoral.

[douglas]

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You can oppose capitalism while still being required to live within its confines, which means having to buy stuff.
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You can oppose it but you can't reject it, which is what he said.

[Jon Frohlich]

i reject capitalism in all its forms. private land ownership—especially in this example—is immoral.

I take it you don't own a house or a car (or even a bike) then.

Do you do everything via the barter system?

You can oppose capitalism while still being required to live within its confines, which means having to buy stuff.

Not necessarily. You could steal to survive. Being afraid that you'd likely quickly get caught and sent to prison just means you aren't that committed to your cause.

[hellmanm]

I take it you don't own a house or a car (or even a bike) then.

Do you do everything via the barter system?

You can oppose capitalism while still being required to live within its confines, which means having to buy stuff.

Not necessarily. You could steal to survive. Being afraid that you'd likely quickly get caught and sent to prison just means you aren't that committed to your cause.

That's kind of a "no true scotsman" fallacy going on. Anyway, can we all please not turn another hiking thread into an argument about politics?