Arc'teryx sale, is this legit?

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SkaredShtles wrote: Fri Nov 22, 2019 3:13 pm Inventing some unlikely scenario in order to excuse this behavior is weird.

But carry on...

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"to excuse this behavior" is flagrant misinterpretation of what I've said and you know that, Dude.

This aggression will not stand, man.
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Gene913 wrote: Fri Nov 22, 2019 7:40 pm Technically, you are correct. The true source of the OP's product is not known.
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mtree wrote: Fri Nov 22, 2019 11:11 pm
Gene913 wrote: Fri Nov 22, 2019 7:40 pm Technically, you are correct. The true source of the OP's product is not known.
The defense rests its case your honor.
The reason we do not know the true source of the product is because it is counterfeit product, not Arcteryx product.
The OP's question was "Arcteryx sale, is this legit?" The answer, beyond any reasonable doubt, is no. It is not a legit sale because the item being sold is counterfeit.

You've done nothing to help the OP answer the question. All you've done is say you don't care whether it is counterfeit or not.

I am inclined to agree with Scott P.
Scott P wrote: Fri Nov 22, 2019 1:43 pmMtree isn't trolling. He just hasn't ever made a useful post on this site. Ever. Maybe someday it will happen, but I wouldn't hold my breath or bet on it.
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As sort of an aside, when we traveled to Beijing, China we went to a large department store that sold all kinds of "brand-name" merchandise, some of it high-end. Most of it looked really convincing and seemed well made, and was at super low prices. Not a thing there was genuine. Buyer beware.
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mtree wrote: Fri Nov 22, 2019 5:15 pm The only facts here is there are no facts. No one really knows the source of the OP's product. Just a bunch of conjecture. Could be the real deal, used, refurbished, partial product, stolen, copycat, counterfeit, or ??? And all the third party intergoogle info is about as useful as an Instagram influencer's opinion. Research or dig as deep as you wish and make your own decision based on whatever socio ethical jibber jabber you can devise. I don't have the patience or time to worry about the ultimate source of my purchases. My concern is the price to value ratio. Let others battle for the moral high ground. I'll gladly swim against the downpour of derision ...comfortably outfitted in my Patagoonia rain poncho, of course.
Outfitted in what you may think is Patagucchi pancho.

How can value vs price ratio be determined if the product you think is quality (Marmot, Sierra Designs, Patagonia, etc) is truly unknown?

In the manufacturing world, many products from different name brands are made in the same factories, by the same people, using the same machinery. I saw this extensively in China during business trips in the 1990's.

Buying an Arcteryx jacket is a statement. It says to others, and maybe yourself, that you have the desire and money to buy the best ( in some peoples opnion).

Buying a jacket that says Arcteryx on it that is known to NOT BE genuine is the most poser lame "look at me" bulls/*t ever.
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oldschool wrote: Sat Nov 23, 2019 9:02 am In the manufacturing world, many products from different name brands are made in the same factories, by the same people, using the same machinery. I saw this extensively in China during business trips in the 1990's.
Good old days (I'm sure kids would say "OK Boomer" to that). Let's look at that corporate sheet: https://newsroom.arcteryx.com/corporate-factsheet.htm. 1000 employees globally, 900 of these in North America where, as we found out, some of them make 10% of total company products, how does this add up? I would guess that they really don't own factories oversees, just use existing clothing production lines that assemble various brands whenever they are needed.

Buying an Arc'teryx definitely IS a statement, only it does not appear to be the same statement as few years ago imho.
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SchralpTheGnar wrote: Sat Nov 23, 2019 2:33 pm Dude you can’t post that email in a public forum, read the disclaimer
What are you going to do, report it to Arcteryx? :)
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SchralpTheGnar wrote: Sat Nov 23, 2019 2:33 pmDude you can’t post that email in a public forum, read the disclaimer
"Dude" I did read the disclaimer and there is nothing in it that prohibited the email from being shared publicly. Reading the full disclaimer and applying it to this context shows why.

First sentence: This e-mail may contain confidential and/or privileged information. There is nothing in the response from Arcteryx stating that the information in the email is confidential or privileged. So the generic disclaimer language that the the email "may" contain confidential and/or privileged information is not applicable because there is nothing that says what is being communicated in this particular email is confidential or privileged. The email I received from Arcteryx did not say, "don't tell anyone, but this stuff is fake." The email from Arcteryx did not say anywhere that the information was being provided only to me in confidence or that it was privileged information that I needed to keep under wraps. In fact, the email sender explictly expresses his desire to share the information publicly by stating that he would look into signing up on this forum and posting the information himself. His express statement of intent to share the information publicly definitively shows that the information was not intended to kept confidential or privileged.

Second sentence: If you are not the intended recipient (or have received this e-mail in error) please notify the sender immediately and destroy this e-mail. I was the intended recipient, so once again this generic disclaimer language is not applicable either.

Third sentence: Any unauthorized copying, disclosure or distribution of the material in this e-mail is strictly forbidden. The key part of this sentence is the word "unauthorized." Not all copying, disclosure, or distribution is prohibited. Only "unauthorized" copying, disclosure or distribution is prohibited. In context, someone who was not the intended recipient is "unauthorized." Not the case here. In context, someone who received confidential and/or privileged information is "unauthorized." Not the case here either.

While your conclusion about my potential legal liability is misplaced, thanks for being concerned.
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Actually unless the sender explicitly granted you rights to repost an email containing his personally identifiable information you are indeed in violation of that clause and should remove immediately, in addition to notifying the sender of exposure of his information on the public web
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SchralpTheGnar wrote: Sat Nov 23, 2019 8:27 pmActually unless the sender explicitly granted you rights to repost an email containing his personally identifiable information you are indeed in violation of that clause and should remove immediately, in addition to notifying the sender of exposure of his information on the public web
So when you copied my post in your post - and thereby reposted the same information that you claim should never have been posted at all - you committed the same error you believe I committed. Looks like both of us will have to pay the piper if you are right.
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Good point, I deleted my post.
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