Nolans Stuff
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Re: Nolans Stuff
Didn’t catch his name, but could have been!
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Re: Nolans Stuff
Hey Justin, this is David Hedges.
It was extremely hot, like 90f on the CT coming off of Princeton. I went solo from the start through Princeton and didn't pick up enough food or water at the drop in Alpine. Long story short, I lost a bunch of time on Princeton and Yale because I was dehydrated.
But, if I were to theoretically going to try Nolan's again, where would you say the key spots to make up time on FD would be?
Thanks for putting the data together, very cool!
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Hey David! DM me and I'll give you access to the sheet directly,
I may not have the most satisfying specific answer, but I do have a good takeaway for all Nolan's runners, and that is that time either maintained or lost around Yale and Columbia. If you look at Francois's and your's times between the two peaks, you went from a 1:21:00 deficit off of Yale to almost 2 hours off Columbia. You lose a little time afterwards between peaks -- 10 to 15 minutes each -- but that was the biggest split.
If we look at ALL runners I have data for, it's a similar story that that's where the "winning move" is made. That's sort of tongue and cheek, as there is no one winning "move", but between Yale and Columbia, people find that this makes a great place to regroup, as Columbia to Harvard is excessively time-consuming on a good day, and Pine Creek just doesn't make a great place to resupply. If you can make a quick turnaround from North Cottonwood Creek up Columbia, Harvard and get to Oxford without the wheels falling out, there is major time to be saved.
(I've filtered a few runners out that are outliers to this)
So how to do that? Hard to say, but if I was going fully supported, getting a pacer from N. Cottonwood over Columbia/Harvard and into/out of Pine Creek could be a good move. That, and just limit the time you're hanging out in N. Cottonwood. Easy to say from this bar stool I'm typing! Barring some breakthrough in route-finding between Columbia and Harvard, that's all I got.
Other than that, the data is just showing Francois is a faster runner than anyone else. I personally find your run and Joey's far, far, more remarkable. Soapbox time, but I'm not fully into the idea of just throwing gobs of money towards FKTs like our French visitor is known to do. I like the more scrappy attempts. But that's just me. Gotta respect his game, nonetheless.
Also I haven't looked to see if Francois has posted more precise times. All his summit times seemed rounded to the nearest 5 minutes.
I may not have the most satisfying specific answer, but I do have a good takeaway for all Nolan's runners, and that is that time either maintained or lost around Yale and Columbia. If you look at Francois's and your's times between the two peaks, you went from a 1:21:00 deficit off of Yale to almost 2 hours off Columbia. You lose a little time afterwards between peaks -- 10 to 15 minutes each -- but that was the biggest split.
If we look at ALL runners I have data for, it's a similar story that that's where the "winning move" is made. That's sort of tongue and cheek, as there is no one winning "move", but between Yale and Columbia, people find that this makes a great place to regroup, as Columbia to Harvard is excessively time-consuming on a good day, and Pine Creek just doesn't make a great place to resupply. If you can make a quick turnaround from North Cottonwood Creek up Columbia, Harvard and get to Oxford without the wheels falling out, there is major time to be saved.
(I've filtered a few runners out that are outliers to this)
So how to do that? Hard to say, but if I was going fully supported, getting a pacer from N. Cottonwood over Columbia/Harvard and into/out of Pine Creek could be a good move. That, and just limit the time you're hanging out in N. Cottonwood. Easy to say from this bar stool I'm typing! Barring some breakthrough in route-finding between Columbia and Harvard, that's all I got.
Other than that, the data is just showing Francois is a faster runner than anyone else. I personally find your run and Joey's far, far, more remarkable. Soapbox time, but I'm not fully into the idea of just throwing gobs of money towards FKTs like our French visitor is known to do. I like the more scrappy attempts. But that's just me. Gotta respect his game, nonetheless.
Also I haven't looked to see if Francois has posted more precise times. All his summit times seemed rounded to the nearest 5 minutes.
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