Mount Lindsey Closure

[Ptglhs]

So how are we new climbers suppose to complete our 14ers with this closure? Do people actually trespass or do they hike to the USFS boundary and call it done?

Legally there's no way to complete them. Lindsay and Bross are "closed." Practically there's no way the owners can enforce this closure: the private property lines are well above treeline and there's no guardshack, fencing, or cameras. Morally... Your call.

[Reg0928]

So how are we new climbers suppose to complete our 14ers with this closure? Do people actually trespass or do they hike to the USFS boundary and call it done?

That's up to you, buddy. It's your list.

[Gene913]

So how are we new climbers suppose to complete our 14ers with this closure? Do people actually trespass or do they hike to the USFS boundary and call it done?

Ryan987 - with 11 14er summits, there are more than 40 other peaks to spend time on before access to the summits of Lindsey or Bross become "first world problems" for you.
Maybe it makes more sense to figure out the Lindsey/Bross access conundrum after you've summitted 50+ peaks on the 14er list.

[Ed_Groves]

So how are we new climbers suppose to complete our 14ers with this closure? Do people actually trespass or do they hike to the USFS boundary and call it done?

Ryan987 - with 11 14er summits, there are more than 40 other peaks to spend time on before access to the summits of Lindsey or Bross become "first world problems" for you.
Maybe it makes more sense to figure out the Lindsey/Bross access conundrum after you've summitted 50+ peaks on the 14er list.

Good advice. I am working through the 14ers and have a few to do before Lindsey becomes an issue. However, I do check the status on Lindsey every few months. If it is still closed when I decide to hike it, I plan on contacting the land owner and groveling for permission. Correct me if I am wrong, but isn't that what Daniel Hobbs did last year for his self-supported record FKT completing all the 14ers?

[Ryan987]

So how are we new climbers suppose to complete our 14ers with this closure? Do people actually trespass or do they hike to the USFS boundary and call it done?

Ryan987 - with 11 14er summits, there are more than 40 other peaks to spend time on before access to the summits of Lindsey or Bross become "first world problems" for you.
Maybe it makes more sense to figure out the Lindsey/Bross access conundrum after you've summitted 50+ peaks on the 14er list.

Good points thank you everyone. This one encouraged me to save Lindsey's until the last few ones. Hopefully there will be a legal way up to the summit in a couple years!

As for Bross, I just went along with CMC "rules" that they consider the bypass the summit and counted it as-is. Dosent look like a very interesting peak anyway

[justiner]

Colorado may bolster liability protections for private landowners who let the public recreate on their lands
https://coloradosun.com/2023/01/11/legi ... cFJFheSD5E

[Ed_Groves]

Colorado may bolster liability protections for private landowners who let the public recreate on their lands
https://coloradosun.com/2023/01/11/legi ... cFJFheSD5E

That link was posted above in answer to my bump of this thread.
Thanks anyway though. I hope something happens with it.

We are just one day into the 2023 legislative session, so I would not get your hopes up too high, but this article suggests that at least one legislator is working on the issue: https://coloradosun.com/2023/01/11/legi ... al-access/

Good information. Thanks. I hope they can come to an agreement to solve this issue.

[onebyone]

So how are we new climbers suppose to complete our 14ers with this closure? Do people actually trespass or do they hike to the USFS boundary and call it done?

Legally there's no way to complete them. Lindsay and Bross are "closed." Practically there's no way the owners can enforce this closure: the private property lines are well above treeline and there's no guardshack, fencing, or cameras. Morally... Your call.

Yup.

[cougar]

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[nyker]

I wanted to climb Popo when I was in Mexico to climb Orizaba/Izta, it was considered moderately active and smoking and thus closed to climbing, so I wasn't able to, end of that.
Another peak nearby I planned on doing was temporarily closed off due to military operations, so end of that plan too. So, I just did the few I was able to. Life happens and you don't always can get what you want, plans change.

As far as ignoring the closures, if you knowingly trespass on private property just be prepared for potential consequences. Once on Antero, hiking up an hour or two before sunrise, I was met with an angry miner with a shotgun because he "thought" I might have been on his private mining claim and was not happy about it...nothing ended up happening, but was a bit alarming to have someone suddenly screaming at you at 4:00am pointing a 12 gauge at you.

Maybe you can offer the owners of Lindsey and Bross, cash to climb, then we can start another thread about greedy Lindsey owners charging people to "take a walk" and Ptglhs can lecture everyone again about the benefits of communism and the evils of the ideas of private property and capitalism.

[Ptglhs]

Maybe you can offer the owners of Lindsey and Bross, cash to climb, then we can start another thread about greedy Lindsey owners charging people to "take a walk" and Ptglhs can lecture everyone again about the benefits of communism and the evils of the ideas of private property and capitalism.

Straw man argument., but I guess insulting someone and lying about them is easier than understanding their point of view.

[Scott P]

So how are we new climbers suppose to complete our 14ers with this closure?

In the case of Lindsey, I wouldn't worry about it and would just wait. The owners have said that they want to open it back up and provide free access; they just want a legislative change on the liability laws. It is likely that this will happen.

When it does happen though, I'd suggest climbing all the ones with private land issues early on in case they get closed down the road. As of right now, for example, Sherman is private land and there are no current issues, but there might be down the road.

Lindsay will likely open up withing 0-3 years so just sit tight.