Mount Lindsey Closure

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Re: Mount Lindsey Closure

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Ptglhs wrote: Tue Sep 07, 2021 1:19 am I hope a few thousand people hike up there and pee on the sign before summiting. "Please respect the private property closure" is a siren song of the oppressed embracing the chains which shackle them. Why should we respect it? Do the 'owners' respect our ambition to recreate on land which they aren't using? Owners respect very little save their own avarice. By what right does anyone claim ownership of the earth? We have reified private land ownership, cordoned off the commons, and commodified nature. I shall respect the private property rights in the alpine as much as they respect human dignity, which is to say not at all.
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Ptglhs wrote: Tue Sep 07, 2021 1:19 am I hope a few thousand people hike up there and pee on the sign before summiting. "Please respect the private property closure" is a siren song of the oppressed embracing the chains which shackle them. Why should we respect it? Do the 'owners' respect our ambition to recreate on land which they aren't using? Owners respect very little save their own avarice. By what right does anyone claim ownership of the earth? We have reified private land ownership, cordoned off the commons, and commodified nature. I shall respect the private property rights in the alpine as much as they respect human dignity, which is to say not at all.
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Totally agree. BS to claim ownership of the earth. Gotta love how people are consistently voting against their own best interests and idolizing people just because they're rich.
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12ersRule wrote: Tue Sep 07, 2021 7:30 am
Ptglhs wrote: Tue Sep 07, 2021 1:19 am I hope a few thousand people hike up there and pee on the sign before summiting. "Please respect the private property closure" is a siren song of the oppressed embracing the chains which shackle them. Why should we respect it? Do the 'owners' respect our ambition to recreate on land which they aren't using? Owners respect very little save their own avarice. By what right does anyone claim ownership of the earth? We have reified private land ownership, cordoned off the commons, and commodified nature. I shall respect the private property rights in the alpine as much as they respect human dignity, which is to say not at all.
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Totally agree. BS to claim ownership of the earth. Gotta love how people are consistently voting against their own best interests and idolizing people just because they're rich.
This tbh. I feel like some of these people attempt to use the golden rule like “how would I feel if someone trespassed on my property” but these landowners are completely different. They’re owning the land on a mountain. As far as I’m concerned, it’s only up the people’s discretion whether or not they want to hike it.
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Re: Mount Lindsey Closure

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Flyingfish wrote: Mon Sep 06, 2021 5:41 pm Do you know how this affects access to Huerfano, Iron Nipple, and Huerfanito since all 3 of those peaks are split by private property?
Those peaks are all on public land.
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What other peaks are on the Trinchera Blanca Ranch?

I believe several of the 13ers down south are on the ranch. How about Trinchera Pk and Leaning South/North?
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dark_forest wrote: Tue Sep 07, 2021 8:39 am What other peaks are on the Trinchera Blanca Ranch?

I believe several of the 13ers down south are on the ranch. How about Trinchera Pk and Leaning South/North?
The east side of those peaks is public so they should be ok. Hamilton Peak is fully on the Trinchera Blanca Ranch property. I doubt they put a sign on the Blanca summit warning people not to go out there though.
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CaptainSuburbia wrote: Tue Sep 07, 2021 8:59 am
dark_forest wrote: Tue Sep 07, 2021 8:39 am What other peaks are on the Trinchera Blanca Ranch?

I believe several of the 13ers down south are on the ranch. How about Trinchera Pk and Leaning South/North?
The east side of those peaks is public so they should be ok. Hamilton Peak is fully on the Trinchera Blanca Ranch property. I doubt they put a sign on the Blanca summit warning people not to go out there though.
The principal route on Blanca is on USFS lands north of the ridge, so should not be affected by this closure.
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yardman wrote: Tue Sep 07, 2021 9:46 am
CaptainSuburbia wrote: Tue Sep 07, 2021 8:59 am
dark_forest wrote: Tue Sep 07, 2021 8:39 am What other peaks are on the Trinchera Blanca Ranch?

I believe several of the 13ers down south are on the ranch. How about Trinchera Pk and Leaning South/North?
The east side of those peaks is public so they should be ok. Hamilton Peak is fully on the Trinchera Blanca Ranch property. I doubt they put a sign on the Blanca summit warning people not to go out there though.
The principal route on Blanca is on USFS lands north of the ridge, so should not be affected by this closure.
Correct. I was referring to the lands south of Blanca.
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Re: Mount Lindsey Closure

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dark_forest wrote: Tue Sep 07, 2021 8:39 am What other peaks are on the Trinchera Blanca Ranch?

I believe several of the 13ers down south are on the ranch. How about Trinchera Pk and Leaning South/North?
From Mount Maxwell north through approximately Napoleon Peak, a 12er, is Forest Service land on the east side of the ridge. That includes 13ers Trinchera Peak, Leaning North and Leaning South Peaks, Cuatro Peak, and Mount Maxwell. Technically the west side of the ridge is Trinchera-Blanca property but I've never heard of anyone getting in trouble as long as they don't stray far off the ridge crest. Take that with a grain of salt. South of Maxwell through the state line is all some combination of Trinchera-Blanca, Cielo Vista, and Bar NI ranch property. Bar NI has placed no tresspassing signs immediately off the summit of Maxwell and farther along the ridgeline south, and there are cameras along the ridge as well.
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I climbed Lindsey 8/27. Whoever put those signs up did so after I passed the saddle and before I made it back down to there. I don't remember the exact wording on the sign, but my interpretation was that access to the summit is still permitted, but you aren't supposed to go off trail at all - e.g. down into the basin on the other side. I believe the sign says something like, "Private Land Protected by a Conservation Easement" - which I take to mean the trail itself (the easement) remains open to the public.
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Strider29 wrote: Tue Sep 07, 2021 11:13 am I don't remember the exact wording on the sign, but my interpretation was that access to the summit is still permitted, but you aren't supposed to go off trail at all - e.g. down into the basin on the other side. I believe the sign says something like, "Private Land Protected by a Conservation Easement" - which I take to mean the trail itself (the easement) remains open to the public.
The sign very clearly states that public access is not allowed. A conservation easement is an agreement that controls use and development of land, it's not permission to enter.