LiDAR: Colorado 13ers and 14ers Completed

[CheapCigarMan]

For those who are curious, "West Crestone" is at 37.96727,-105.58662 at 14090.9777'. Its saddle is at 37.96719,-105.58641 at 14004.7900', giving it a prominence of ~86'. If you can get Gerry Roach (or some other author) to name it in their next guidebook, it might stand a chance of appearing on LoJ or 14ers.com.

Do you have the coordinates and elevations for "East Crestone" and "Northeast Crestone"?

[bdloftin77]

Do you have the coordinates and elevations for "East Crestone" and "Northeast Crestone"?

“East Crestone”: https://listsofjohn.com/peak/11
“Northeast Crestone”: https://listsofjohn.com/peak/18

Here’s the full LoJ 14er list by prominence. You can see all the other subsummits listed.
https://listsofjohn.com/PeakStats/selec ... &S=CO&R=14

These include all the ones from Gerry Roach’s Colorado’s Thirteeners book, the Hunter-Fryingpan Wilderness HP, the Huerfano county HP, and “Pin Point” from the 1932 San Juan Mountaineers Climber’s Guide book by Dwight G Lavender.

For any who are curious, here’s the other peaks listed from that book.
https://listsofjohn.com/customlists?lid=701

[Candace66]

Note: "East Crestone" is within a foot of reliable lidar returns on Crestone Peak, and there's a possibility it might be higher than Crestone Peak.

Isn't this kind of a big deal? Or does everyone go over to East Crestone when they climb Crestone Peak?

[justiner]

Here’s the full LoJ 14er list by prominence. You can see all the other subsummits listed.
https://listsofjohn.com/PeakStats/selec ... &S=CO&R=14

Don't give me ideas.



I believe Northeast Crestone is what you'll eventually summit when you take the North Buttress route up Crestone Peak?

https://www.mountainproject.com/route/1 ... h-buttress

From there you'll have to downclimb to the saddle of Crestone Peak and East Crestone to bag those. There was a very thorough TR on here about doing all that. Looked doable. Anyone want to scout that route once things dry up?

[Gphunk88]

I know this isn't exactly related to the current topic direction on this thread but I am curious about something and just looking for some clarification:
So as I look on 14ers.com I still continue to see NW Lindsey and a 14er sub-summit. When I look on LoJ I see that NW Lindsey has been "downgraded" to a 13er. Is this the case and it just hasn't been updated on the .com list or is it still considered a 14er sub-summit?

[daway8]

Is this the case and it just hasn't been updated on the .com list or is it still considered a 14er sub-summit?

LoJ has been leading the charge on LiDAR data. Bill has slowly incorporated bits of data from the changes (swapping North Maroon and Challenger Point for instance) but I think he's been waiting for the dust to settle on a lot of this other stuff (plus there's a ton of data to update...). Swapping NW Lindsey out for Pin Point is a very recent update and only a handful of people like me seem to pay any attention to 14er sub-summits anyways.

I believe Northeast Crestone is what you'll eventually summit when you take the North Buttress route up Crestone Peak?

Yes, NE Crestone could be hit coming up North Buttress, unless you bypass it like some do. NEC is reportedly highly exposed 5.6 from that side as opposed to delightfully fun bomber class 4 (with maybe a little low 5th depending on your lines) from the Crestone side (see my TR). I have toyed with the idea of repeating NEC from that side just for pure climbing fun.

My latest crazy thought is eyeballing this West Crestone possibly from Spanish Creek. Reviewing photos from NEC and Kit Carson shows some possible options that might be less extreme than a straight up/down traverse from Crestone Peak. But I would likely do some more recon from Obstruction and Kitty Kat first, since I haven't done those peaks yet.

[Gphunk88]

Bill has slowly incorporated bits of data from the changes (swapping North Maroon and Challenger Point for instance) but I think he's been waiting for the dust to settle on a lot of this other stuff (plus there's a ton of data to update...)

I was figuring that this was the case. Bill has been doing an awesome job with what I can only imagine is an immense amount of new data from all of these updates while continuing all his work here. I am just a huge nerd and love seeing all this stuff, including sub-summits, so my curiosity has been skyrocketing haha. I noticed the addition of "Pin Point" which is what made me ask about NW Lindsey and it's change on LoJ vs. 14ers.com. Thanks for the response! I will go back to my nerding and can't wait to see more updates!

[daway8]

I noticed the addition of "Pin Point" which is what made me ask about NW Lindsey and it's change on LoJ vs. 14ers.com.

I spotted that a little after my last response - now that's got me curious about why Bill currently has it like that. My guesses are:

1) The sub-summit list was historically at 74 for a good while until Sunlight Spire fell off the list. Perhaps Bill decided to leave NW Lindsey grandfathered in to hold the number at the historical 74.

2) Bill got Pin Point added then found some really sweet slopes to ski and therefore hasn't got around to demoting NW Lindsey yet.

[Boggy B]

NEC is reportedly highly exposed 5.6 from [the N Buttress] side

If you go expecting 5.6 you'll be sorely disappointed unless you royally screw up your climb, like the poster on MP apparently did. The "easy 5th" consensus grade refers to the very brief headwall to summit NE Crestone, and the rest is 4th class.

[justiner]

NEC is reportedly highly exposed 5.6 from [the N Buttress] side

If you go expecting 5.6 you'll be sorely disappointed unless you royally screw up your climb, like the poster on MP apparently did. The "easy 5th" consensus grade refers to the very brief headwall to summit NE Crestone, and the rest is 4th class.

Haha - most likely true, no way is it one grade lower than Ellingwood Ledges. It does looks like a really fun route as a alt. to the NW Couloir - that route in the summer seems a bit sketch.

[nmjameswilson]

"Unranked to Soft-Ranked

"West Eolus": In the 298.5 to 299.4999 soft-ranked threshold and just shy of being ranked. Lidar likely missed the very top of the narrow summit, and this one is very likely ranked."

Look like I am heading back to Chicago Basin to get #59!

[DaveLanders]

"Unranked to Soft-Ranked

"West Eolus": In the 298.5 to 299.4999 soft-ranked threshold and just shy of being ranked. Lidar likely missed the very top of the narrow summit, and this one is very likely ranked."

Look like I am heading back to Chicago Basin to get #59!

"West Eolus" might be a ranked 13er; it's definitely not close to being a 14er.