Arc'teryx sale, is this legit?

[Scott P]

If they're produced and marketed from outside the US they can slap whatever name on them they want (in countries that don't recognize or ignore US patent or copyright laws). Happens all the time.

But they can't sell here. That is against US law, regardless if they are from a country that recognizes US patent laws.

Also, here are the countries (marked in blue) that recognize US patent laws:



Also, most conterfeit products aren't even close to the quality of the originals.

[SkaredShtles]

Knock-off or copycat products happen all the time. If they're produced and marketed from outside the US they can slap whatever name on them they want (in countries that don't recognize or ignore US patent or copyright laws). Happens all the time.

As a consumer, my #1 priority is to get the best value for the money. So, if the copycat or "counterfeit" product meets my needs, great. I admit, I'm not concerned who produces the product, under what conditions, and the affect it may have on competitors. I'm only concerned about ME and MY wallet. If my Arkteryx jacket is made by orphan children in the slums of Mumbai working 12-hour days and it rivals the original in quality and only costs $100, I'll gladly shell out the money. But, that's me. Hey, I also eat 'roid laden chicken and Twinkies. Whatever.

I'm not so pious as to be disillusioned with global inequities. Uh oh...I think my discount computer keyboard is heating up. (Must have been made in Malaysia or Indonesia or something.) Let others fight this out. It ain't my battle.

Well, I guess you go ahead and keep doing you.

This is generally covered in Ethical Behavior 101 - but apparently some people missed that class.

Wait. A 2nd troll in the thread, perhaps? People can't *actually* think like this, can they?

[12ersRule]

Let others fight this out. It ain't my battle.

Not my battle either. On this site, I constantly roll my eyes with all the consumerism. What kind of car should I buy to get me to the trailhead? What beanie? What jacket? What socks? Don't worry about it. Just get out there and get it done.

[mtree]

Knock-off or copycat products happen all the time. If they're produced and marketed from outside the US they can slap whatever name on them they want (in countries that don't recognize or ignore US patent or copyright laws). Happens all the time.

As a consumer, my #1 priority is to get the best value for the money. So, if the copycat or "counterfeit" product meets my needs, great. I admit, I'm not concerned who produces the product, under what conditions, and the affect it may have on competitors. I'm only concerned about ME and MY wallet. If my Arkteryx jacket is made by orphan children in the slums of Mumbai working 12-hour days and it rivals the original in quality and only costs $100, I'll gladly shell out the money. But, that's me. Hey, I also eat 'roid laden chicken and Twinkies. Whatever.

I'm not so pious as to be disillusioned with global inequities. Uh oh...I think my discount computer keyboard is heating up. (Must have been made in Malaysia or Indonesia or something.) Let others fight this out. It ain't my battle.

Well, I guess you go ahead and keep doing you.

This is generally covered in Ethical Behavior 101 - but apparently some people missed that class.

Wait. A 2nd troll in the thread, perhaps? People can't *actually* think like this, can they?

Feel free to pick and choose your "ethical behavior" and morals. I'll pick mine. Then someone else can come along and judge the nuances ad infinitum.
I can understand the loyalty to Arc'teryx and their products. That's fine. We're all free to pick and choose our friends, allies, and battles. I'm just not being ignorant or hypocritical. Only honest. I have a feeling plenty already agree with my point of view...even if they won't admit it. It feels so slimy.

[JChitwood]

I will say I’m pretty shocked at how much Arc’teryx gear costs without a discount of any kind. You can easily spend $900 on a jacket. Makes Pattagucci look reasonable.

[Scott P]

Knock-off or copycat products happen all the time. If they're produced and marketed from outside the US they can slap whatever name on them they want (in countries that don't recognize or ignore US patent or copyright laws). Happens all the time.

As a consumer, my #1 priority is to get the best value for the money. So, if the copycat or "counterfeit" product meets my needs, great. I admit, I'm not concerned who produces the product, under what conditions, and the affect it may have on competitors. I'm only concerned about ME and MY wallet. If my Arkteryx jacket is made by orphan children in the slums of Mumbai working 12-hour days and it rivals the original in quality and only costs $100, I'll gladly shell out the money. But, that's me. Hey, I also eat 'roid laden chicken and Twinkies. Whatever.

I'm not so pious as to be disillusioned with global inequities. Uh oh...I think my discount computer keyboard is heating up. (Must have been made in Malaysia or Indonesia or something.) Let others fight this out. It ain't my battle.

Well, I guess you go ahead and keep doing you.

This is generally covered in Ethical Behavior 101 - but apparently some people missed that class.

Wait. A 2nd troll in the thread, perhaps? People can't *actually* think like this, can they?

Mtree isn't trolling. He just hasn't ever made a useful post on this site. Ever. Maybe someday it will happen, but I wouldn't hold my breath or bet on it.

[cedica]

a useful post

Utilitarianism is often overestimated. Responses to your latest poll show that there are more reasons for posting at this forum than we can imagine. Outdoor recreation, especially mountaineering are there to satisfy needs that are more spiritual than practical.

[SkaredShtles]

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I can understand the loyalty to Arc'teryx and their products. That's fine.

I've got no loyalty to Arc'teryx. But if someone has STOLEN their name and slapped it on a counterfeit product, I won't knowingly buy it. Because it's a $hit thing to do. YMMV.

[cedica]

<snip>
I can understand the loyalty to Arc'teryx and their products. That's fine.

I've got no loyalty to Arc'teryx. But if someone has STOLEN their name and slapped it on a counterfeit product, I won't knowingly buy it. Because it's a $hit thing to do. YMMV.

Nobody has loyalty to Arc'teryx or Backcoun'teryx for that matter, they are for profit businesses. But just imagine slightly different scenario than pure "counterfeiting" you mentioned:

The article cited by jscully (https://www.outsideonline.com/2286086/a ... -worth-750) clearly states "About 10 percent of the company’s products are produced in the two-year-old Canadian factory, while the rest are made in other international locations." What if employees from those mysterious "international locations" find ways to assemble few more jackets from leftovers and smuggle them out of the factory, they can maybe get $20 from middleman if they are lucky, but that is probably close to what they make per day. Then middleman smuggles them to Dubai or wherever the warehouse for that shady website is and makes another $30. Then Slime Shady website makes 100% profit by selling them online. In the end, someone's purchase of $100 jacket just might help more families in immediate crisis than purchase of $750 one.

[SkaredShtles]

<snip>
I can understand the loyalty to Arc'teryx and their products. That's fine.

I've got no loyalty to Arc'teryx. But if someone has STOLEN their name and slapped it on a counterfeit product, I won't knowingly buy it. Because it's a $hit thing to do. YMMV.

Nobody has loyalty to Arc'teryx or Backcoun'teryx for that matter, they are for profit businesses. But just imagine slightly different scenario than pure "counterfeiting" you mentioned:

The article cited by jscully (https://www.outsideonline.com/2286086/a ... -worth-750) clearly states "About 10 percent of the company’s products are produced in the two-year-old Canadian factory, while the rest are made in other international locations." What if employees from those mysterious "international locations" find ways to assemble few more jackets from leftovers and smuggle them out of the factory, they can maybe get $20 from middleman if they are lucky, but that is probably close to what they make per day. Then middleman smuggles them to Dubai or wherever the warehouse for that shady website is and makes another $30. Then Slime Shady website makes 100% profit by selling them online. In the end, someone's purchase of $100 jacket just might help more families in immediate crisis than purchase of $750 one.

Inventing some unlikely scenario in order to excuse this behavior is weird.

But carry on...

[mtree]

The only facts here is there are no facts. No one really knows the source of the OP's product. Just a bunch of conjecture. Could be the real deal, used, refurbished, partial product, stolen, copycat, counterfeit, or ??? And all the third party intergoogle info is about as useful as an Instagram influencer's opinion. Research or dig as deep as you wish and make your own decision based on whatever socio ethical jibber jabber you can devise. I don't have the patience or time to worry about the ultimate source of my purchases. My concern is the price to value ratio. Let others battle for the moral high ground. I'll gladly swim against the downpour of derision ...comfortably outfitted in my Patagoonia rain poncho, of course.

[Gene913]

The only facts here is there are no facts. No one really knows the source of the OP's product. Just a bunch of conjecture.

I contacted Arcteryx directly and summarized their response in an earlier post. Apparently that was not sufficient.

So, the email exchange with them is below. I gave them the link to this forum thread. The Arcteryx representative read it. He confirmed that the ad identified by the OP is offering fake Arcteryx product. Technically, you are correct. The true source of the OP's product is not known. But we do know, for a fact, that it is not an Arcteryx product, which is what the counterfeiter represented it to be.

If your shallow "price to value ratio" analysis makes you feel better, then purchase the counterfeit product and rest comfortable. But don't do it by pretending that you purchased legitimate product or by pretending that you did not know you purchased counterfeit product.


counterfeit arcteryx jackets
Herbst, Tom <> Thu, Nov 21, 2019 at 6:57 PM
To: Gene Porter <>, * ARCTERYX-YVR-ReportAFake <reportafake@arcteryx.com>

Whoa. thanks for alerting us. Those are fake sites/ads. Guess I will have to sign up there to post.

Tom Herbst
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ARC'TERYX Equipment,
A Division of Amer Sports Canada Inc.
110 – 2220 Dollarton Hwy, North Vancouver, British Columbia, Canada V7H 1A8
Tel +1 604 960-3110, fax +1 604 904-3692, mobile +1 604 729-8726
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Subject: counterfeit arcteryx jackets

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