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Bummer on the junky counterfeit, but hey, it was worth a shot.
It all made for a great story. And in the end it just reinforced the old saying, "If it seems too good to be true, it probably is."

But...ya never know unless you try! Nice work.

mtree wrote: ↑Fri Dec 06, 2019 9:50 am <snip>
But...ya never know unless you try! Nice work.

Gene913 wrote: ↑Thu Nov 21, 2019 4:40 pm

CaptCO wrote: ↑Thu Nov 21, 2019 3:04 pmI think it’s more than fair if a company charges $800 for a jacket, that some copy cats can come out with a more affordable version.

So go buy the counterfeit Arcteryx jacket. But do so knowing that most counterfeit goods are produced in sweatshops run by organized crime, profits often support terrorist groups, drug smugglers, sex traffickers and street gangs. Sweatshops, in turn, are notorious for violating child-labor laws and basic human rights, and many workers are coerced through a system of indentured servitude, a form of modern-day slavery.

Most consumers do not want to subsidize organized crime. Most simply don’t realize that’s what they’re doing when they buy logoed items or pirated DVDs from a vendor charging rock-bottom prices for goods that are supposed to be the real thing.

I'm not sure you can take it that far. In china, counterfeiting items lots of times happens at the same factory with the same staff as the original item. Say Arcteryx tells the factory to make 1000 jackets in a month. But the factory has the capability to make 1200 jackets a month. Sometimes they make the extra 200, slap a different logo or no logo on them, and sell them for cheaper to locals. Then the immoral locals will slap a fake Arcteryx logo on them, and sell them for much less margin then Arcteryx does. Because they don't have to put any money into marketing, research, etc.

So no terrorists, drug smugglers, sex traffickers and street gangs are involved. Moral panic averted . HOWEVER, it still hurts overall because now Arcteryx loses money to the fakers, and so has less money for research and new designs. Also they have to spend time, money, and goodwill if they decided to do warranty service on faked items or not.

This thread is amazing. We’ve got:

- People wondering if an obvious scam is legit
- People upset about posting an email from a corporate fraud-detection address
- People white knighting for scammers over chargebacks

Bill, please never shut down these forums.

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I'm not sure you can take it that far. In china, counterfeiting items lots of times happens at the same factory with the same staff as the original item. Say Arcteryx tells the factory to make 1000 jackets in a month. But the factory has the capability to make 1200 jackets a month. Sometimes they make the extra 200, slap a different logo or no logo on them, and sell them for cheaper to locals. Then the immoral locals will slap a fake Arcteryx logo on them, and sell them for much less margin then Arcteryx does.
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Do you have any evidence to back that up?

Per the above post from Trotter, re: the origins of counterfeit products, the statement was not that "all counterfeit goods are produced in . . ." but rather that "most counterfeit goods are produced in . . ."

Having participated for decades in the investigation and prosecution of counterfeiting cases in federal court, my experience leads me to conclude that that the situation described by Trotter does occur. But the ratio or volume of such instances is quite small compared to organized, large scale, for-profit counterfeiting operations like those described.

Bean wrote: ↑Fri Dec 06, 2019 12:22 pm This thread is amazing. We’ve got:

- People wondering if an obvious scam is legit
- People upset about posting an email from a corporate fraud-detection address
- People white knighting for scammers over chargebacks

Bill, please never shut down these forums.

+1

This thread is amazing, all I hoped for and more.. so much more. I particularly like the old dudes yelling at each.

jmanner wrote: ↑Fri Dec 06, 2019 4:20 pm This thread is amazing, all I hoped for and more.. so much more. I particularly like the old dudes yelling at each.

Careful Manner, one of these days you'll look up and the old guy yelling will be you. :D

Ptglhs wrote: ↑Fri Dec 06, 2019 4:48 pm

jmanner wrote: ↑Fri Dec 06, 2019 4:20 pm This thread is amazing, all I hoped for and more.. so much more. I particularly like the old dudes yelling at each.

Careful Manner, one of these days you'll look up and the old guy yelling will be you. :D

Too late.

The jacket finally arrived.
I had ordered a green Rush, and an orange Alpha SV showed up.
I compared it to the "spot a fake" photos on the Arc'teryx site, and it's very well done.
Honestly, if they had used a high quality main zipper I think it'd pass. The other zippers are decent, The stitching isn't quite up to par (but when was the last time you really examined the stitching?), The logo and graphics look real.

But that main zipper just sucks, dead give away. I sent pics to Arc'teryx and they confirmed it's fake.

The company website appears to be down, as well.

Not sure exactly what I'll do since it was a gift and I don't want to offend the person, but I also don't want them to waste their money, and I also don't want to have to wear this jacket any time I see them!

Note: no, I'm not going to buy an Alpha from REI then return this one. Ha. And I'm also not going to sell it on eBay or anything like that.
Well, maybe I post "one high quality counterfeit jacket". After all, 80% of the value in Arc'teryx is the logo on the chest!
Suggestions?