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SurfNTurf wrote: ↑Thu Nov 21, 2019 3:12 pm

CaptCO wrote: ↑Thu Nov 21, 2019 3:04 pm Thanks for the post! Genuine or not, if it performs the same as the original I’m very interested. I think it’s more than fair if a company charges $800 for a jacket, that some copy cats can come out with a more affordable version.

Alec

Not to derail the thread, but when I first started climbing I had similar views on Arc'teryx. I thought it was offensively overpriced. I was sure I'd never own a single piece.

Now I have an 8-year-old Gamma LT that looks and performs like the day I bought it. It's outlived countless other jackets by more affordable brands, and it's designed to literal perfection. I would not change a single thing. I have a few other Arc'teryx pieces and all of them are simply top-notch. "You get what you pay for" is a tired and often misleading phrase, but it's absolutely true of Arc'teryx. Obviously this doesn't apply to any counterfeits, though there's a (small) chance they have the same quality, I guess.

And the service is world-class if you end up having issues with the garment. I have had them replace items (completely on their dime including shipping both ways) that I was upfront about and told them I ripped. If they do need to replace something whether its your issue or theirs, they dont ask for proof of purchase and do not care it was purchased for a steep discount at the outlet, they still give you MSRP credit to pick any item in their store. The only downside is that the wait can be long during certain times of the year.

CaptCO wrote: ↑Thu Nov 21, 2019 3:04 pm Thanks for the post! Genuine or not, if it performs the same as the original I’m very interested. I think it’s more than fair if a company charges $800 for a jacket, that some copy cats can come out with a more affordable version.

I'm not even sure what to say to this. What you're describing is basically corporate theft. The copy-cat is STEALING from Arc'teryx. And there is *absolutely* no justification for that.

CaptCO wrote: ↑Thu Nov 21, 2019 3:04 pm Thanks for the post! Genuine or not, if it performs the same as the original I’m very interested. I think it’s more than fair if a company charges $800 for a jacket, that some copy cats can come out with a more affordable version.

If you want knock off mountaineering gear just fly to Kathmandu and wander around. Almost all of the stores are selling fakes. The only legitimate gear is in the tourist district of Thamel.

Supposedly much of it comes out of the same factories as the real stuff but I have no idea if I'd actually trust it on a mountain.

SkaredShtles wrote: ↑Thu Nov 21, 2019 3:31 pm

CaptCO wrote: ↑Thu Nov 21, 2019 3:04 pm Thanks for the post! Genuine or not, if it performs the same as the original I’m very interested. I think it’s more than fair if a company charges $800 for a jacket, that some copy cats can come out with a more affordable version.

I'm not even sure what to say to this. What you're describing is basically corporate theft. The copy-cat is STEALING from Arc'teryx. And there is *absolutely* no justification for that.

I agree with you re: no justification.
I'd argue they're stealing from the customer, larceny by false pretense, and committing fraud against Arc'teryx by claiming to be selling their products.

While one doesn't always get all they paid for, it is nearly impossible to get more than one pays for. If you pay for titanium and get steel, it will be much heavier. If you pay for titanium and get plastic, it will be much less strong.

A company which has a reputation for taking care of its customers and providing great products does charge more than a new company which is making the same level of quality. That's because reputation counts. Knock offs are cheap for a reason beyond name recognition though: the materials are usually sub par, and the under bidder may be using unethical production methods. I am fine getting a great deal from an overstocked warehouse on last year's models. I'm not okay being lied to and buying a cotton jacket made by forced labor political prisoners in a factory that dumps its waste into drinking water.

CaptCO wrote: ↑Thu Nov 21, 2019 3:44 pm

SkaredShtles wrote: ↑Thu Nov 21, 2019 3:31 pm

CaptCO wrote: ↑Thu Nov 21, 2019 3:04 pm Thanks for the post! Genuine or not, if it performs the same as the original I’m very interested. I think it’s more than fair if a company charges $800 for a jacket, that some copy cats can come out with a more affordable version.

I'm not even sure what to say to this. What you're describing is basically corporate theft. The copy-cat is STEALING from Arc'teryx. And there is *absolutely* no justification for that.

I can’t afford an $800 jacket, so I’ll gladly take the *stolen* jacket. Sorry not sorry.

haha....oh my. Karma.
Make sure to buy from backcountry too!!

SkaredShtles wrote: ↑Thu Nov 21, 2019 3:31 pm

CaptCO wrote: ↑Thu Nov 21, 2019 3:04 pm Thanks for the post! Genuine or not, if it performs the same as the original I’m very interested. I think it’s more than fair if a company charges $800 for a jacket, that some copy cats can come out with a more affordable version.

I'm not even sure what to say to this. What you're describing is basically corporate theft. The copy-cat is STEALING from Arc'teryx. And there is *absolutely* no justification for that.

Not much you can say except it is outright theft and The Captain is perfectly fine with it. Maybe he can pick up a $10 Rolex the next time he is in Thailand.

Well, at least they own their dooshtastic stance. I guess there's something to be said for that.

SkaredShtles wrote: ↑Thu Nov 21, 2019 3:31 pm

CaptCO wrote: ↑Thu Nov 21, 2019 3:04 pm Thanks for the post! Genuine or not, if it performs the same as the original I’m very interested. I think it’s more than fair if a company charges $800 for a jacket, that some copy cats can come out with a more affordable version.

I'm not even sure what to say to this. What you're describing is basically corporate theft. The copy-cat is STEALING from Arc'teryx. And there is *absolutely* no justification for that.

Not true. Unless there is some patent infringement, copycat or knockoff products are perfectly legit. Happens all the time.

mtree wrote: ↑Thu Nov 21, 2019 4:31 pm

SkaredShtles wrote: ↑Thu Nov 21, 2019 3:31 pm

CaptCO wrote: ↑Thu Nov 21, 2019 3:04 pm Thanks for the post! Genuine or not, if it performs the same as the original I’m very interested. I think it’s more than fair if a company charges $800 for a jacket, that some copy cats can come out with a more affordable version.

I'm not even sure what to say to this. What you're describing is basically corporate theft. The copy-cat is STEALING from Arc'teryx. And there is *absolutely* no justification for that.

Not true. Unless there is some patent infringement, copycat or knockoff products are perfectly legit. Happens all the time.

Bull. If you "knockoff" an Arc'teryx jacket and sell it under that name, you sure as $hit are stealing.

CaptCO wrote: ↑Thu Nov 21, 2019 3:04 pmI think it’s more than fair if a company charges $800 for a jacket, that some copy cats can come out with a more affordable version.

The problem with your statement is that the jacket here is not a "copy cat" which would be perfectly legitimate.
This is not a legitimate knockoff that imitates the real thing. This is a false claim of being the real thing.

This is a counterfeit not a copy cat or a knock off. By saying they are providing a genuine Arcteryx, with all the known superior qualities of an Arcteryx product, but instead providing something that is not Arcteryx and is of unknown quality, this company is deceiving those who purchase the jacket. This is fraud.

So go buy the counterfeit Arcteryx jacket. But do so knowing that most counterfeit goods are produced in sweatshops run by organized crime, profits often support terrorist groups, drug smugglers, sex traffickers and street gangs. Sweatshops, in turn, are notorious for violating child-labor laws and basic human rights, and many workers are coerced through a system of indentured servitude, a form of modern-day slavery.

Most consumers do not want to subsidize organized crime. Most simply don’t realize that’s what they’re doing when they buy logoed items or pirated DVDs from a vendor charging rock-bottom prices for goods that are supposed to be the real thing.

Not hoping it ever happens to you but if you ever get a counterfeit $100 bill I hope you don't complain but just shrug it off and say that the counterfeiter was simply creating a more affordable version of legitimate currency.

Dayute wrote: ↑Thu Nov 21, 2019 4:38 pm You guys know you could just buy your jackets at REI and return them when you're done to get your money back?

You're in for a raft of st*t with that idea. I suggested someone who was traveling out here in May do that for snowshoes/ice axe, if they couldn't find someone to rent from. This lead to several dozen posts cirticizing me, and a whole new thread from the person who started this one, interestingly enough.