East Crestone Second dGPS Survey

[two lunches]

There is no Crestone.

[onebyone]

Just here to make sure all the finishers climbed on top on that rock rectangle thing on Snowmass. Does a hand count. Or must the bottom of your boot need to be applied.

https://www.14ers.com/php14ers/uphotos. ... &pictype=1

You know onebyone, you seem to have an issue with people wanting to have quantitative standards for where summits are. I see it as a bit hypocritical though, because how do you think the original list of 14ers was compiled? They did their best using the standards and equipment of the day, sometimes applied unevenly and imperfectly, which provides an opportunity for refinement to those who wish to participate. But if nobody had ever bothered to apply any standards to the Colorado mountains, you'd have a very hard time finishing the 14ers because the list of summits and their locations wouldn't exist.

Just here to make sure all the finishers climbed on top on that rock rectangle thing on Snowmass. Does a hand count. Or must the bottom of your boot need to be applied.

https://www.14ers.com/php14ers/uphotos. ... &pictype=1

You know onebyone, you seem to have an issue with people wanting to have quantitative standards for where summits are. I see it as a bit hypocritical though, because how do you think the original list of 14ers was compiled? They did their best using the standards and equipment of the day, sometimes applied unevenly and imperfectly, which provides an opportunity for refinement to those who wish to participate. But if nobody had ever bothered to apply any standards to the Colorado mountains, you'd have a very hard time finishing the 14ers because the list of summits and their locations wouldn't exist.

I'm just making fun of this utter nonsense. The material is too good to pass up. Not to mention the ultimate troll by people removing 4 inches. If even accurate to begin with.

[supranihilest]

There is no Crestone.

[CheapCigarMan]

Why are three of the bumps considered to be summits and sub summits and the other one isn't? Because Roach or an author didn't name it? Is the peak and naming science and process that arbitrary?

Yes, it is that arbitrary. There are peaks with 295 ft. of prominence that aren't in the main ListsOfJohn database, and there are peaks with 1 ft. of prominence that someone decided to name, so they're in the database. Yes, it's bugged me forever, and it's why it doesn't make much sense to talk about "all" of the unranked peaks imho.

When I brought it up I didn't get a definitive answer. One said, "No." The other said, "Technically, yes."

Looking at the maps. There are four bumps over 14k. All similar bumps in nature. Why are three of the bumps considered to be summits and sub summits and the other one isn't? Because Roach or an author didn't name it? Is the peak and naming science and process that arbitrary?

Though unsatisfying, that's my understanding. In terms of objects on LoJ, we have:.......

Thank you

[Veory]

Just here to make sure all the finishers climbed on top on that rock rectangle thing on Snowmass. Does a hand count. Or must the bottom of your boot need to be applied.

https://www.14ers.com/php14ers/uphotos. ... &pictype=1

Yeah it's pretty easy to get onto. Yes I stood on it. I don't care if you choose to climb it or not though.

[Veory]

Also, CheapCigarMan, "Westone" doesn't appear as a closed contour on all maps. Since contours are locked by elevation, being inside a closed countour doesn't mean it has anything more than 1' of prominence. You could fit a P39' bump inside a contour as well. My guess as to why this peak isn't named/recognized is because it's just so much shorter than the other three, which appear similarly visually impressive. Plus, there are very few vantage points from which it appears visually distinct from the ridge. I do think it would be fun to get to though.

[Chicago Transplant]

There are like 25 closed contours on Crestone Peak that are above 13k, plus a few over 12k (and a few on the Needle too). At some point it just gets a bit much for every closed contour on a mountain to be considered a peak.

Crestone Points.jpg

[supranihilest]

There are like 25 closed contours on Crestone Peak that are above 13k, plus a few over 12k (and a few on the Needle too). At some point it just gets a bit much for every closed contour on a mountain to be considered a peak.

Crestone Points.jpg

Bro what the f**k are you talking about, it's obvious, bro.

Crestone Points.jpg

[Chicago Transplant]

There are like 25 closed contours on Crestone Peak that are above 13k, plus a few over 12k (and a few on the Needle too). At some point it just gets a bit much for every closed contour on a mountain to be considered a peak.

Crestone Points.jpg

Bro what the f**k are you talking about, it's obvious, bro.
Crestone Points.jpg

But really, shouldn't there be at least one Grizzly, Green, Bald or Sheep in there somewhere?

[supranihilest]

There are like 25 closed contours on Crestone Peak that are above 13k, plus a few over 12k (and a few on the Needle too). At some point it just gets a bit much for every closed contour on a mountain to be considered a peak.

Crestone Points.jpg

Bro what the f**k are you talking about, it's obvious, bro.
Crestone Points.jpg

But really, shouldn't there be at least one Grizzly, Green, Bald or Sheep in there somewhere?

These peaks are all the Black Sheep.

[astranko]

I'm a little surprised at the resistance to ""West" "Westone Baldy" Crestone".

I would think that people would be excited to climb another peak! Err... Point? Named locale?

I guess John Kirk is going to have to put it all of these newly enumerated localized descriptors into his database now that we have an authoritative map on the subject.

[CheapCigarMan]

Also, CheapCigarMan, "Westone" doesn't appear as a closed contour on all maps. Since contours are locked by elevation, being inside a closed countour doesn't mean it has anything more than 1' of prominence. You could fit a P39' bump inside a contour as well. My guess as to why this peak isn't named/recognized is because it's just so much shorter than the other three, which appear similarly visually impressive. Plus, there are very few vantage points from which it appears visually distinct from the ridge. I do think it would be fun to get to though.

There are like 25 closed contours on Crestone Peak that are above 13k, plus a few over 12k (and a few on the Needle too). At some point it just gets a bit much for every closed contour on a mountain to be considered a peak.

Thanks again, learned something new.

This would explain Evan's comment that, "The point in question doesn't fall into any of the categories 1-4 and is thus unacknowledged." But wasn't explained as to why it didn't fit in one of the categories.

...The point in question doesn't fall into any of the categories 1-4 and is thus unacknowledged....

Bro what the f**k are you talking about, it's obvious, bro.

Ben, do you live in a van down by the river?