Supplements for Musculoskeletal Health?

Items that do not fit the categories above.
Forum rules
Please do not use this forum to advertise, sell photos or other products or promote a commercial website. For more details, please see the Terms of Use you agreed to when joining the forum.
TomPierce
Posts: 2462
Joined: 11/21/2007
14ers: List not added
Trip Reports (2)

Re: Supplements for Musculoskeletal Health?

Post by TomPierce » Wed Mar 24, 2021 10:37 am

ker0uac wrote:
Wed Mar 24, 2021 9:48 am
TomPierce wrote:
Wed Mar 24, 2021 7:41 am
Personally, if you're just looking at joint health, I'm with Justin. Eat a healthy diet for sure, but work on strength/flexibility, and resolve any structural issues with therapy (maybe some good orthotics?) I've never believed that supplements can target maladies all that effectively, e.g. "I have poor night vision, so I'll eat a lot of carrots."
Right, every time I hear of a supplement, I look to see which foods are rich with it. For instance, omega-3 and iron. But glucosamine which seems to be the "most popular" for joint health can only be extracted from shell fish :-k .

Also, as brought up by Bean, unfortunately nowadays, even the "healthy" foods are poor of nutrients. I know I know, "buy organic and fresh". I do that too.
All good points above. Fwiw, I'm not anti-supplements, I take some (fish oil, a really good multi). But those are based on specific personal deficiencies revealed by blood work; it took me some time to find a multi with a specific formulation for my needs. What I doubt works very well is the targeted supplementation for a single, specific problem; that's the stuff of magazine articles often funded by the companies that sell the supplements (e.g. "Have hair loss? Take X!") But yeah, the placebo effect is super powerful and unless you go crazy they shouldn't harm you.

I'd also caution that you probably should look at the issue wholistically. Take Vitamin D? My recollection is that it needs to be coupled with Vit A to be metabolized well, so too with iron and Vit C (but really watch iron, it can cause havoc in men). And if you want to lower triglycerides, eat some eggs; but not too much, it'll spike your bad cholesterol if your blood glucose runs high (I speak from experience on that one). My point is that taking a single supplement may not be effective if you don't look at the broader picture, the effect it could cause elsewhere. There is no free lunch, right? Just my opinions and experience.

-Tom
User avatar
shelly+
Posts: 427
Joined: 6/15/2018
14ers: 31 3

Re: Supplements for Musculoskeletal Health?

Post by shelly+ » Wed Mar 24, 2021 10:46 am

TomPierce wrote:
Wed Mar 24, 2021 10:37 am
What I doubt works very well is the targeted supplementation for a single, specific problem; that's the stuff of magazine articles often funded by the companies that sell the supplements (e.g. "Have hair loss? Take X!") But yeah, the placebo effect is super powerful and unless you go crazy they shouldn't harm you.
I agree to not fall into the fallacy that Vitamin X cures Problem Y. However.... I do argue for a targeted supplement for a specific deficiency that is contributing to (but not causing) a specific problem. As I said above, I found that magnesium worked for nerve damage but I found it also helped with joints as well. And as you note, all of this goes along with a wholistic approach to well-being.
User avatar
mtree
Posts: 1141
Joined: 6/16/2010
14ers: List not added

Re: Supplements for Musculoskeletal Health?

Post by mtree » Wed Mar 24, 2021 11:11 am

I've taken various supplements over the years depending on how I'm feeling. Glucosamine, Mg, K, Ca, Vit D, CoQ, Emergen-C, "real" electrolytes, and many others. Luckily I don't have any joint issues so perhaps I'm a poor example. Well, I'm a poor example, regardless. Looking back I'd say they neither helped or hurt so do whatever you think will help. Even if there's a placebo affect that's a positive outcome!

Otherwise, smoke more weed. At a minimum you won't care anymore.

Remember, whoever laughs last, is probably the most stoned.
- I didn't say it was your fault. I said I was blaming you.
spoony
Posts: 67
Joined: 5/3/2015
14ers: 19 12 3
13ers: 4 3

Re: Supplements for Musculoskeletal Health?

Post by spoony » Wed Mar 24, 2021 1:31 pm

I have no strong feelings on supplements, but my hospital pharmacist wife is always complaining about patients who take supplements without medical advice for two big reasons:

1) Supplements mess with your uptake of prescription meds. In emergency situations, this can be life threatening because some supplements do not play well with emergency treatments. Hospital people might know you're on blood thinners by looking at your history, but they will not know you are taking Fat Buster XL unless you are awake and in the right state of mind to tell them. Also, if you're on a prescription med, talk to your doc before starting a supplement since your dosage may need to be adjusted.

2) Many supplements are not very accurate/precise with their contents and manufacturing tolerances for supplements are notoriously poor. The bottle might say 400 mg "X", but the lot of pills in your bottle might be more like 350 mg or 425 mg or whatever.
User avatar
SkaredShtles
Posts: 2099
Joined: 5/20/2013
14ers: List not added

Re: Supplements for Musculoskeletal Health?

Post by SkaredShtles » Wed Mar 24, 2021 1:39 pm

Beer.
ker0uac
Posts: 539
Joined: 8/30/2016
14ers: List not added

Re: Supplements for Musculoskeletal Health?

Post by ker0uac » Wed Mar 24, 2021 1:47 pm

spoony wrote:
Wed Mar 24, 2021 1:31 pm
The bottle might say 400 mg "X", but the lot of pills in your bottle might be more like 350 mg or 425 mg or whatever.
That's definitely true for my edibles
Those who travel to mountain-tops are half in love with themselves and half in love with oblivion
User avatar
mtree
Posts: 1141
Joined: 6/16/2010
14ers: List not added

Re: Supplements for Musculoskeletal Health?

Post by mtree » Wed Mar 24, 2021 2:09 pm

SkaredShtles wrote:
Wed Mar 24, 2021 1:39 pm
Beer.
Can't argue with that one.
- I didn't say it was your fault. I said I was blaming you.
User avatar
shelly+
Posts: 427
Joined: 6/15/2018
14ers: 31 3

Re: Supplements for Musculoskeletal Health?

Post by shelly+ » Wed Mar 24, 2021 2:29 pm

spoony wrote:
Wed Mar 24, 2021 1:31 pm
Many supplements are not very accurate/precise with their contents and manufacturing tolerances for supplements are notoriously poor. The bottle might say 400 mg "X", but the lot of pills in your bottle might be more like 350 mg or 425 mg or whatever.
Yes, but supplements are not medications so it doesn't matter if you take a little too much today and nothing tomorrow. Being educated about taking them isn't very difficult and staying in the range of safe dosage isn't rocket science.

Sorry to be tiresome... but obviously I think a lot about this topic. lol
User avatar
Altitude High
Posts: 135
Joined: 1/27/2018
14ers: 19

Re: Supplements for Musculoskeletal Health?

Post by Altitude High » Wed Mar 24, 2021 5:06 pm

GregMiller wrote:
Tue Mar 23, 2021 8:43 pm
Altitude High wrote:
Tue Mar 23, 2021 7:41 pm
(Don't get suckered into the kind with chondroitin.)
Just curious, why?
Chondroitin does nothing, except double the price.
ker0uac
Posts: 539
Joined: 8/30/2016
14ers: List not added

Re: Supplements for Musculoskeletal Health?

Post by ker0uac » Wed Mar 24, 2021 6:11 pm

Altitude High wrote:
Wed Mar 24, 2021 5:06 pm
GregMiller wrote:
Tue Mar 23, 2021 8:43 pm
Altitude High wrote:
Tue Mar 23, 2021 7:41 pm
(Don't get suckered into the kind with chondroitin.)
Just curious, why?
Chondroitin does nothing, except double the price.
What brand for glucosamine do you buy?
Those who travel to mountain-tops are half in love with themselves and half in love with oblivion
User avatar
Altitude High
Posts: 135
Joined: 1/27/2018
14ers: 19

Re: Supplements for Musculoskeletal Health?

Post by Altitude High » Wed Mar 24, 2021 6:35 pm

Spring Valley (Walmart) Glucosamine Sulfate Potassium Chloride 1,000 mg.
User avatar
susanjoypaul
Posts: 1948
Joined: 9/8/2006
14ers: 58 2
13ers: 87 6
Trip Reports (2)

Re: Supplements for Musculoskeletal Health?

Post by susanjoypaul » Thu Mar 25, 2021 7:17 am

I'd say check with your doctor first, but I'll tell you what I do - take it or leave it.

1 - Stationary bike on the highest resistance for 20 minutes a day - ten minutes pedaling forward and ten pedaling backwards. This strengthens my knees.

2 - (Don't laugh) 10 minutes of squats a day on a DB Method machine (yes, the butt machine), which is an angled squat machine with a seat that shifts your weight back onto your glutes. This takes the weight off your knees and lets your hips and glutes do the work, and the high volume that's possible strengthens your hips. If I tried to do ten straight minutes of traditional squats, my knees would throw a fit, but using the machine takes away that limitation. You can add a weight belt for more resistance. I also do traditional squats with dumbbells as part of my weightlifting routine, but in lower volume - just three sets of 12 reps. I used to do super-heavy squats on a rack back in the day when I was a gym rat (over 400 pounds when I trained with Mr. Southern California, Paul Harris, back in the 1980s), but no time for that these days.

3 - Vegan dietary hyaluronic acid supplements - 100 mg a day. Chondroiton and my stomach do not get along, but hyaluronic acid doesn't bother me at all.

I used to dread the day after a big hike, not because of the muscle soreness (I tend to recover very quickly) but the hip pain. I don't know if it's the bike, the squats, or the supplements, but something has solved that problem for me. Maybe the combination of all three.

Good luck.
Post Reply