Unleashed dogs in wilderness

Dogs, dogs and even some cats
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Re: Unleashed dogs in wilderness

Post by Crestoner » Sun Sep 23, 2018 9:01 pm

greenbee1978 wrote:I wonder if those who find this amusing would laugh if they knew a study by the CDC shows dogs are 85% more likely than cats to cause serious falls? In addition, this means the dog owner is liable for any person's fall, especially if the dog is off-leash (i.e. negligence) at the time of the incident. Still funny?
I don't quite follow the reasoning presented in this post. Cats are too small (or quick) to be tripped over, nobody "walks" a cat, cats aren't up and about that much in the house (i.e., they don't do s--t)...so of course dogs would be more likely to cause a fall, in an incidence comparison between the 2 species. And the fact that dogs cause more falls...as a data point...has no direct relevance on an owner's liability for another's fall...it's simply that a dog caused someone's fall.

From the CDC: "Among falls involving dogs, 61.6% occurred in or around the home, and 16.4% in the street or other public place. A location was not specified for 20.3% of cases. Twenty-six percent of falls involving dogs occurred while persons were walking them, and the most frequent circumstances were falling or tripping over a dog (31.3%) and being pushed or pulled by a dog (21.2%). Falling over a pet item (e.g., a toy or food bowl) accounted for 8.8% of fall injuries. Approximately 38.7% involved other or unknown circumstances."

So for the data for which a location is specified and for which the circumstances are known, it appears that the dogs' owners are the ones who fell. greenbee1978's citation of these data in a discussion of off-leash dogs in the wilderness is a stretch.
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Re: Unleashed dogs in wilderness

Post by RETEP 1 » Sun Sep 23, 2018 10:12 pm

On Huron last weekend, I had my whole family with me. We met a group with an off leash dog. The dogs owner just shouted out “sorry, he doesn’t have very good trail manners” as he brushed by us. He didn’t really bother us too much but his owner thought he was soooo cute...
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Re: Unleashed dogs in wilderness

Post by Jeff Valliere » Mon Sep 24, 2018 8:36 am

greenbee1978 wrote:I wonder if those who find this amusing would laugh if they knew a study by the CDC shows dogs are 85% more likely than cats to cause serious falls? In addition, this means the dog owner is liable for any person's fall, especially if the dog is off-leash (i.e. negligence) at the time of the incident. Still funny?

In order to win a negligence lawsuit, the injured person only has to prove:

The owner had a duty to manage their dog's behavior, but did not, and was negligent because they failed to meet that duty. Finally, the owner's negligence directly (or “proximately”) caused the injured person’s harm.

Imagine an expensive lawsuit, paying for someone else's medical care and knowing your behavior, or lack thereof, seriously injured another person or worse. Still "laughing out loud"?

Unfortunately, the most likely option, will result in a ban on our four-legged friends. It's too bad we can't just ban their owners instead. I love dogs, especially well-trained dogs, and enjoy seeing their happy faces out on the trail, but when they'e underfoot they're not really a value-add.

Happy and Safe Hiking!
Great first post, problem solved then! :wink:
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Re: Unleashed dogs in wilderness

Post by nunns » Mon Sep 24, 2018 9:55 am

randalmartin wrote:
coloradobob wrote:Dog owners, please remember that when you are in one of the Wilderness areas that your dogs must be on leash at all time. This past Saturday August 22nd while climbing Yale (Collegiate Peaks Wilderness Area) I saw a young couple with four (4) dogs, none of which were on leash.
As someone that has done some volunteer hours on peaks for CFI and talked with owners, the owners always think their dog is different and their pet shouldn't have to be on a leash.
Very similar to kids in schools: everyone wants teacher to be strict in their classes, until they are strict with that person's kid.

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Re: Unleashed dogs in wilderness

Post by LURE » Mon Sep 24, 2018 9:58 am

Man, how did this thread get dug up.

And I wonder how these discussions go on for so long. The law is the law, there is nothing to discuss.
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