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Re: Where is the SNOW!!!

Postby ajkagy » Mon Dec 10, 2012 7:21 am

Snowgirl wrote:
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PaliKona wrote:Looking very cold tonight through Tues night...-33 wind chill on Vail Pass! Is that cold enough to kill some of those f'ing pine beetles?


-11 for the low here tonight, unfortunately we'd need several nights of -40 temps to kill off a lot of beetle.


I'm not a pine beetle expert by any stretch, but I think you mean -40 Celsius, instead of Fahrenheit?

Fingers crossed for a cold(ish) winter/spring to get the population in check.

Edit: Fun fact, -40*F and -40*C are the same thing. Mind blown! I guess -30 to -40*C, and -30*F, for more than five days, are the ticket. Huh.


yes, extremely cold weather in mid winter because the beetle metabolizes glycerol which acts as an anti freeze. It's better to have a cold spell that isn't as cold as -40 in spring or fall and that will kill them as well since they'll have less glycerol in their system.

fortunately they are pretty much non-existent down here in this part of the elks, but I imagine they mostly like lodgepoles which aren't as prevalent as they are in summit/grand counties.
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Re: Where is the SNOW!!!

Postby ajkagy » Mon Dec 10, 2012 9:10 am

snowing pretty good this morning, supposed to get another 3-6 here. Looking like winter now :)
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Re: Where is the SNOW!!!

Postby mtngoat » Mon Dec 10, 2012 9:24 am

Anyone have a read on Chicago Ridge near Tennessee Pass?
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Re: Where is the SNOW!!!

Postby Mark A Steiner » Thu Jan 10, 2013 4:20 pm

Others on another thread are "dreamin of summer". Maybe here some can offer some fresh thoughts about snowpack conditions. Recent trip reports and photo image attachments in other threads do not appear encouraging.

Maybe the snow is whiter where you are.
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Re: Where is the SNOW!!!

Postby Bean » Thu Jan 10, 2013 4:32 pm

Mark A Steiner wrote:Others on another thread are "dreamin of summer". Maybe here some can offer some fresh thoughts about snowpack conditions. Recent trip reports and photo image attachments in other threads do not appear encouraging.

Maybe the snow is whiter where you are.

Snowpack conditions are horrible.

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Re: Where is the SNOW!!!

Postby RoanMtnMan » Thu Jan 10, 2013 4:38 pm

You don't need a graph to tell you that Bean. Some petrol and a quick skin should have you planning trips NW of CO. Sadly, that seems to be the proper course again this year.
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Re: Where is the SNOW!!!

Postby Bean » Thu Jan 10, 2013 4:56 pm

Just pointing out that we're somehow even worse off than last year.

I was heading to Jackson for a week but that plan seems to have been wrecked, and I haven't got a lot of time for other trips this year. If things don't change I'll end up with two seasons combined with less than half the days of the season before. :x
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Re: Where is the SNOW!!!

Postby randalmartin » Fri Jan 11, 2013 2:36 pm

I think the issue last year was more about the complete lack of big storms in March/April. So we saw a very early drop off in the snowpack. While we are running under the Mean so far this year, I think the key will be whether our Spring snows show up. Certainly from a water content standpoint, that's where we get the biggest contributions.
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Re: Where is the SNOW!!!

Postby Bean » Fri Jan 11, 2013 2:44 pm

randalmartin wrote:I think the issue last year was more about the complete lack of big storms in March/April. So we saw a very early drop off in the snowpack. While we are running under the Mean so far this year, I think the key will be whether our Spring snows show up. Certainly from a water content standpoint, that's where we get the biggest contributions.

We're not just under the mean, we're 9% under last year and only 60% of normal. NOAA doesn't expect much to improve around here any time soon.

Best to stock up on respirators now, there'll probably be a run on them come springtime when the entire front range is on fire.
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Re: Where is the SNOW!!!

Postby RoanMtnMan » Fri Jan 11, 2013 2:54 pm

Bean wrote:
Best to stock up on respirators now, there'll probably be a run on them come springtime when the entire front range is on fire.


Seriously, nothing funny about this statement. I have been clearing our property like a madman the last few months. I can't count the amount of bar oil, chains, and gas I have gone through. Still can't get a burn permit approved even with snow on the ground. I sure hope it's not a repeat of last year but it looks like that is where things are headed.
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Re: Where is the SNOW!!!

Postby Mark A Steiner » Fri Jan 11, 2013 4:05 pm

randalmartin wrote:I think the issue last year was more about the complete lack of big storms in March/April. So we saw a very early drop off in the snowpack. While we are running under the Mean so far this year, I think the key will be whether our Spring snows show up. Certainly from a water content standpoint, that's where we get the biggest contributions.

Agreed. Still I wouldn't mind some substantial snows between now and March 1, just in case we have another repeat as was experienced in March/April last year. Although snow and cold aren't always contemporaneous, seeing this newly arriving cold outbreak accompanied by so little forecast snow is disheartening.
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Re: Where is the SNOW!!!

Postby Scott P » Fri Jan 11, 2013 5:00 pm

Snowpack in the mountains is low, but what's weird is that Craig area and the deserts are above normal. It's been snowing a lot here and officially there were 35 inches of snow that fell last month. Places like Moab and the others deserts have snow. Too bad more wouldn't fall in the mountains.

Our Utah neighbors to the west are doing fairly good so far:

http://www.ksl.com/?nid=149&sid=134181

There seems to be a line in western Colorado where the storms suddenly diminish to the east.

Wyoming is the same. Pretty good snowpack far west, quickly deminishing to the east:

http://www.wrds.uwyo.edu/wrds/nrcs/snowmap/snowmap.html

New Mexico is in bad shape statewide.
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