Cielo Vista Southern 13ers in July

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Re: Cielo Vista Southern 13ers in July

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I have done the south ones, but would like to get the north ones eventually. Kind of a shame they have raised the price so much.
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Re: Cielo Vista Southern 13ers in July

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sdkeil wrote: Mon Jun 21, 2021 11:44 am I have done the south ones, but would like to get the north ones eventually. Kind of a shame they have raised the price so much.
The new owners set the higher price for the southern and northern 13ers after buying the ranch in August 2017 because they know dedicated climbers will pay the higher fee. I’m surprised they haven’t raised the fee for Culebra/Red as well.
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Is the $500 just for the privilege of camping out? I ask because it looks like it might be possible, assuming a fast pace and a good weather day, to get the southern for 13ers as well as Culebra with only paying $150 day-use fee. You would have to really be hauling ass to get back by 6 p.m., but it could be doable. It would be 13 or 14 miles.

The 8 pwaks to the north of Culebra on private land, I have no idea how one would do those. I assume an early start after camping out and doing a car to car.
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Ptglhs wrote: Mon Jun 21, 2021 1:10 pm Is the $500 just for the privilege of camping out? I ask because it looks like it might be possible, assuming a fast pace and a good weather day, to get the southern for 13ers as well as Culebra with only paying $150 day-use fee. You would have to really be hauling ass to get back by 6 p.m., but it could be doable. It would be 13 or 14 miles.
This is not a good idea. https://14ers.com/php14ers/tripreport.php?trip=18540
The 8 pwaks to the north of Culebra on private land, I have no idea how one would do those. I assume an early start after camping out and doing a car to car.
Mariquita is on Bar NI Ranch property. No legal access that I know of. De Anza I think is on the Bar NI/Cielo Vista Ranch property line and can be done from Whiskey Pass, which is on Cielo Vista property. De Anza B through Point 13,565 are all on Cielo Vista property and can be done for another $500, typically(/always?) starting at Whiskey Pass.
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supranihilest wrote: Mon Jun 21, 2021 1:21 pm
Ptglhs wrote: Mon Jun 21, 2021 1:10 pm Is the $500 just for the privilege of camping out? I ask because it looks like it might be possible, assuming a fast pace and a good weather day, to get the southern for 13ers as well as Culebra with only paying $150 day-use fee. You would have to really be hauling ass to get back by 6 p.m., but it could be doable. It would be 13 or 14 miles.
This is not a good idea. https://14ers.com/php14ers/tripreport.php?trip=18540
The 8 pwaks to the north of Culebra on private land, I have no idea how one would do those. I assume an early start after camping out and doing a car to car.
Mariquita is on Bar NI Ranch property. No legal access that I know of. De Anza I think is on the Bar NI/Cielo Vista Ranch property line and can be done from Whiskey Pass, which is on Cielo Vista property. De Anza B through Point 13,565 are all on Cielo Vista property and can be done for another $500, typically(/always?) starting at Whiskey Pass.
It looks like there is actually legal access on Bar NI Ranch. My belief is you would have to be a guest, but might be an option for Mariquita.

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Re: Cielo Vista Southern 13ers in July

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I have read bmc's report. February versus Summer months might be a little different. I know he is a very strong hiker with a lot of experience.
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Re: Cielo Vista Southern 13ers in July

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Regardless of timing still not a good idea. The $500 for the southern peaks apparently includes Culebra and Red if you want to do them all together. It’s been really easy to set this up with the ranch.
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Re: Cielo Vista Southern 13ers in July

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Ptglhs wrote: Mon Jun 21, 2021 1:10 pm Is the $500 just for the privilege of camping out? I ask because it looks like it might be possible, assuming a fast pace and a good weather day, to get the southern for 13ers as well as Culebra with only paying $150 day-use fee.
No, but C & R is included in the southern group for the $500 fee. I started on Purgatoire and ended on Culebra.
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Tornadoman wrote: Mon Jun 21, 2021 1:35 pm It looks like there is actually legal access on Bar NI Ranch. My belief is you would have to be a guest, but might be an option for Mariquita.

https://thebarniranch.com/activities/
My understanding has always been that while Bar NI does have guests it isn't open to anyone. The website does say "we are not open to the public".

I doubt that any of us can call up and book a room. Someone should try though.
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angry wrote: Mon Jun 21, 2021 1:40 pm
Ptglhs wrote: Mon Jun 21, 2021 1:10 pm Is the $500 just for the privilege of camping out? I ask because it looks like it might be possible, assuming a fast pace and a good weather day, to get the southern for 13ers as well as Culebra with only paying $150 day-use fee.
No, but C & R is included in the southern group for the $500 fee. I started on Purgatoire and ended on Culebra.
Yup. For those who don't know the Culebra Range peaks can be grouped something like this. Green is Forest Service/public land, red is Bar NI, orange is northern Cielo Vista, yellow is southern Cielo Vista. Mariquita is shared by Bar NI and Cielo Vista, and Culebra and Red can be included in either of the CV 13er groups. A few folks on this coming weekend's northern 13er trip are adding Culebra and Red to their hike.
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But that doesn't answer the question. The question is is it permissible to hike Culebra, red, and vermijo for just $150 or, after you step south from Culebra do you owe the ranch 500?
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Ptglhs wrote: Mon Jun 21, 2021 1:55 pm But that doesn't answer the question. The question is is it permissible to hike Culebra, red, and vermijo for just $150 or, after you step south from Culebra do you owe the ranch 500?
No, the fee is $500.
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