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Re: Avalanche Near SLC, UT

Posted: Tue Feb 09, 2021 12:47 pm
by onebyone
greenonion wrote:
Mon Feb 08, 2021 3:56 pm
Fireweed wrote:
Mon Feb 08, 2021 2:52 pm
https://twitter.com/dipsetcarini/status ... 92896?s=20

Video of an avalanche from the Unitas yesterday.
Super lucky! (at least the ones alive that you can see) Thanks for sharing. Super scary.
Man, that is a hell of a reality check. The speed and power.

Re: Avalanche Near SLC, UT

Posted: Tue Feb 09, 2021 1:11 pm
by CaptCO
onebyone wrote:
Tue Feb 09, 2021 12:47 pm
greenonion wrote:
Mon Feb 08, 2021 3:56 pm
Fireweed wrote:
Mon Feb 08, 2021 2:52 pm
https://twitter.com/dipsetcarini/status ... 92896?s=20

Video of an avalanche from the Unitas yesterday.
Super lucky! (at least the ones alive that you can see) Thanks for sharing. Super scary.
Man, that is a hell of a reality check. The speed and power.
:wft: :o I’d rather stand outside in a cat 3 hurricane...

Re: Avalanche Near SLC, UT

Posted: Fri Feb 12, 2021 3:20 pm
by lodgling
The final report from this one is up:
https://utahavalanchecenter.org/avalanc ... 9e8D_VilPM

Very tragic.

Re: Avalanche Near SLC, UT

Posted: Fri Feb 12, 2021 5:17 pm
by curt86iroc
a very good report of an awful event...

Re: Avalanche Near SLC, UT

Posted: Fri Feb 12, 2021 5:30 pm
by d_baker
curt86iroc wrote:
Fri Feb 12, 2021 5:17 pm
a very good report of an awful event...
Yeah, that's an interesting way they tell the story of the day. I like it, compared to CAIC's way. Both organizations do a great way to relay info though.
Tragic day for sure though.

Re: Avalanche Near SLC, UT

Posted: Fri Feb 12, 2021 7:11 pm
by GravityPilot
There is a difference between being aware of hazards and understanding risk.
Jorts wrote:
Mon Feb 08, 2021 2:39 pm
curt86iroc wrote:
Mon Feb 08, 2021 1:31 pm

I don't agree that one needs to be a forecaster level of experience to understand the risks from Saturday (day of this accident). the hazards were very obvious in that region, and anyone who read the report from UAC knew what the risks were that day. again, i suspect the group was experienced enough to know what the risks were, but accepted them. I'm curious if the survivors speak more about it in the coming weeks. not placing blame here at all. just trying to highlight that we all have different levels of risk acceptance.
That's fair. You do not have to be a forecaster to understand the risks. But still it seems presumptuous to assume they knew the risks and accepted them. 8 should never be caught in the same slide. That's why I find it unlikely they understood the risks. Groups that truly grasp the risks take mitigation measures like traveling one at a time through the problem area.

This Utah incident reminded me of the deep persistent slab that killed 5 on Loveland Pass in 2013. The solo survivor said they were aware of the DPS issues and were deliberately avoiding steep slopes. They failed to consider how deep DPS slides tend to break and subsequently how far (relative to alpha angle) they can travel. They were not knowingly accepting risk when all 6 of them were caught by that slide.

To your point... Maybe there are just more people that fall into the "intermediate/advanced" classification of backcountry users, thus more of those people are involved in avy incidents than beginners and experts. And maybe it's analogous to "there are old climbers and bold climbers but few old, bold climbers," such that avalanche experts are naturally more cautious.

Re: Avalanche Near SLC, UT

Posted: Fri Feb 12, 2021 8:39 pm
by pvnisher
That video is really scary, but in the text he wrote that he pulled his airbag and it didn't deploy because he hasn't armed it.
And he only found his brother because he could hear his voice because although he had a beacon be didn't know how to use it.

That points to someone buying gear and thinking it will save you, rather than proper education and practice.