Is your belly too big or your jacket too small?rijaca wrote: ↑Mon Nov 02, 2020 9:18 amWhen walking on flat terrain. Doesn't look too flat to me....Lioness wrote: ↑Mon Nov 02, 2020 9:06 am Listen to the scientists:
PROPER POLE USE
When walking on flat terrain, hold your poles so your arms are bent at about 90 degrees. Take time to readjust pole length when going up (shorten) or downhill (lengthen) so you can maintain a comfortable grip and upright posture. Researcher Dr. Knight recommends using wrist straps and a light grip on the handles.
https://www.backpacker.com/gear/the-sci ... king-poles
Pilgrim w poles.jpg
Interesting read about trekking poles
Forum rules
- This is a mountaineering forum, so please keep your posts on-topic. Posts do not all have to be related to the 14ers but should at least be mountaineering-related.
- Personal attacks and confrontational behavior will result in removal from the forum at the discretion of the administrators.
- Do not use this forum to advertise, sell photos or other products or promote a commercial website.
- Posts will be removed at the discretion of the site administrator or moderator(s), including: Troll posts, posts pushing political views or religious beliefs, and posts with the purpose of instigating conflict within the forum.
-
- Posts: 127
- Joined: 7/16/2020
- Trip Reports (0)
Re: Interesting read about trekking poles
-
- Posts: 127
- Joined: 7/16/2020
- Trip Reports (0)
Re: Interesting read about trekking poles
A lot wrong there. First, more deaths and injuries happen going down the mountain than up.timisimaginary wrote: ↑Mon Nov 02, 2020 9:23 am
going downhill, using the straps is pointless. they're more for balance than anything else, and if you need to take stress off your knees, it helps more to place your hands on top of the grips than to put weight into the straps. also, having your wrists in the straps is more of a risk if you fall when you're going downhill. falling uphill isn't likely to lead to injury, but downhill is a different story.
Straps incorporate the larger triceps and back muscles. Gripping the handles engages the forearm and biceps. Also, when falling and trying to stop it by grasping the handle with small tired muscles and sweaty hands is a bad idea. Havint your wrists in the traps is only a risk if you are using them wrong.
Here's the deal. Do us all a favor; if you get hurt by not using your poles properly don't call SAR; take responsibility for your actions and crawl back to the trail head.
- nyker
- Posts: 3231
- Joined: 12/5/2007
- 14ers: 58
- 13ers: 25
- Trip Reports (69)
Re: Interesting read about trekking poles
Nope, using them correctly. ...to be clear I do find straps are helpful on more straightforward terrain and work well to disperse the force from being purely on the wrist, but in sketchier terrain (if I haven't put the poles in my pack yet) any loop around my wrist is a liability where you might get stuck and need your hand in a split second to grab something.Lioness wrote: ↑Mon Nov 02, 2020 9:02 amWatch the video I posted above. It sound as if you are using the straps wrong.nyker wrote: ↑Mon Nov 02, 2020 8:54 amagree - I'm always afraid of my poles getting stuck in the straps and then my hand would be locked into the pole as it goes down and I face plant or worse.Chicago Transplant wrote: ↑Mon Nov 02, 2020 8:44 am
I never use the straps either, but that comes more from tree skiing - using straps is a good way to break your wrist if you catch it on a branch or something. I guess I figure the same risk comes in hiking, catching it on a branch, root, stuck in between rocks, marmot hole, etc. I like the ease of release.
-
- Posts: 127
- Joined: 7/16/2020
- Trip Reports (0)
Re: Interesting read about trekking poles
So you're saying that when you are not using your trekking poles as trekking poles but dangling from your wrist they could be a liability? I think we all would agree with that. Also, don't use your trekking poles as a can opener.nyker wrote: ↑Mon Nov 02, 2020 10:00 amNope, using them correctly. ...to be clear I do find straps are helpful on more straightforward terrain and work well to disperse the force from being purely on the wrist, but in sketchier terrain (if I haven't put the poles in my pack yet) any loop around my wrist is a liability where you might get stuck and need your hand in a split second to grab something.
Re: Interesting read about trekking poles
We don't you do the .com a favor and crawl back into the hole from which you've emerged. You haven't made a single post that demonstrates that you have actually hiked anything.
Last edited by rijaca on Mon Nov 02, 2020 10:12 am, edited 1 time in total.
"A couple more shots of whiskey,
the women 'round here start looking good"
the women 'round here start looking good"
- SamWerner
- Posts: 102
- Joined: 12/18/2018
- 14ers: 37 3
- Trip Reports (0)
Re: Interesting read about trekking poles
So you're saying that somehow, when you grip the handles, you completely change the movement you're doing with poles from pushing down to lifting up? Regardless of whether you're using straps or holding the handles, you will be engaging your triceps, back, and core. Holding the handles adds forearms, but it doesn't magically subtract the other muscle groups that you're using, because you are still performing the same movement.Lioness wrote: ↑Mon Nov 02, 2020 10:00 amA lot wrong there. First, more deaths and injuries happen going down the mountain than up.timisimaginary wrote: ↑Mon Nov 02, 2020 9:23 am
going downhill, using the straps is pointless. they're more for balance than anything else, and if you need to take stress off your knees, it helps more to place your hands on top of the grips than to put weight into the straps. also, having your wrists in the straps is more of a risk if you fall when you're going downhill. falling uphill isn't likely to lead to injury, but downhill is a different story.
Straps incorporate the larger triceps and back muscles. Gripping the handles engages the forearm and biceps. Also, when falling and trying to stop it by grasping the handle with small tired muscles and sweaty hands is a bad idea. Havint your wrists in the traps is only a risk if you are using them wrong.
Here's the deal. Do us all a favor; if you get hurt by not using your poles properly don't call SAR; take responsibility for your actions and crawl back to the trail head.
Do us all a favor, stop being rude to everyone on the forum for no reason.
Re: Interesting read about trekking poles
I'm with lioness regarding use of straps. I find that they help with ease and efficiency of use in any situation that i want my poles out, including when gripping the top of the poles on the downhill. (I really don't care what YOU do with your straps though, unless it is within 6ft of me and unmasked).
-
- Posts: 127
- Joined: 7/16/2020
- Trip Reports (0)
Re: Interesting read about trekking poles
So you're attributing something to me I never wrote. You can't address what I wrote directly so you make up stuff. That's nice.SamWerner wrote: ↑Mon Nov 02, 2020 10:12 amSo you're saying that somehow, when you grip the handles, you completely change the movement you're doing with poles from pushing down to lifting up?Lioness wrote: ↑Mon Nov 02, 2020 10:00 amA lot wrong there. First, more deaths and injuries happen going down the mountain than up.timisimaginary wrote: ↑Mon Nov 02, 2020 9:23 am
going downhill, using the straps is pointless. they're more for balance than anything else, and if you need to take stress off your knees, it helps more to place your hands on top of the grips than to put weight into the straps. also, having your wrists in the straps is more of a risk if you fall when you're going downhill. falling uphill isn't likely to lead to injury, but downhill is a different story.
Straps incorporate the larger triceps and back muscles. Gripping the handles engages the forearm and biceps. Also, when falling and trying to stop it by grasping the handle with small tired muscles and sweaty hands is a bad idea. Havint your wrists in the traps is only a risk if you are using them wrong.
Here's the deal. Do us all a favor; if you get hurt by not using your poles properly don't call SAR; take responsibility for your actions and crawl back to the trail head.
-
- Posts: 127
- Joined: 7/16/2020
- Trip Reports (0)
Re: Interesting read about trekking poles
Tricep power: Your triceps (aka bingo wings) are at the back of your upper arm. Concentrate on using them, not your neck and shoulders, when you push the pole backwards.
Power through the pole: The harder you push through the pole the more you’ll work your triceps.
Extend the push behind you: This is an aspect of the advanced technique that is well worth focusing on if you want to tone up your arms. Try to speed up your arm swing so that you continue your arm swing behind your hips. It’s a hard but perfect workout for your triceps!
https://www.bristolnordicwalking.co.uk/ ... ng-reasons
http://www.thehappytalent.com/products/ ... e%20health.
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC4587792/
Power through the pole: The harder you push through the pole the more you’ll work your triceps.
Extend the push behind you: This is an aspect of the advanced technique that is well worth focusing on if you want to tone up your arms. Try to speed up your arm swing so that you continue your arm swing behind your hips. It’s a hard but perfect workout for your triceps!
https://www.bristolnordicwalking.co.uk/ ... ng-reasons
http://www.thehappytalent.com/products/ ... e%20health.
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC4587792/
- Dan_Suitor
- Posts: 774
- Joined: 4/23/2012
- 14ers: 58 4
- 13ers: 90
- Trip Reports (3)
Re: Interesting read about trekking poles
Proper use of straps is very important to avoid injury, especially to the thumbs and wrist. I use poles on class 1 – 2 terrain. On class 3 and above, I telescope them down and put them in my pack. I don’t care if others do/don’t use them, but for me, they help balance, fatigue, technique, and joints.
Century Bound, eventually.
- SamWerner
- Posts: 102
- Joined: 12/18/2018
- 14ers: 37 3
- Trip Reports (0)
Re: Interesting read about trekking poles
"Straps incorporate the larger triceps and back muscles. Gripping the handles engages the forearm and biceps." Your biceps, when contracted, move your arm from straight to bent. Using handles does not make the fundamental action of using poles change from being a tricep/back dominant movement to being a bicep dominant movement. Regardless of how you hold the pole, you still propel yourself with it by extending your arms. I can't think of a way to significantly work your biceps while using poles without using excessively heavy poles, which is obviously a terrible idea.Lioness wrote: ↑Mon Nov 02, 2020 10:29 amSo you're attributing something to me I never wrote. You can't address what I wrote directly so you make up stuff. That's nice.SamWerner wrote: ↑Mon Nov 02, 2020 10:12 amSo you're saying that somehow, when you grip the handles, you completely change the movement you're doing with poles from pushing down to lifting up?Lioness wrote: ↑Mon Nov 02, 2020 10:00 am
A lot wrong there. First, more deaths and injuries happen going down the mountain than up.
Straps incorporate the larger triceps and back muscles. Gripping the handles engages the forearm and biceps. Also, when falling and trying to stop it by grasping the handle with small tired muscles and sweaty hands is a bad idea. Havint your wrists in the traps is only a risk if you are using them wrong.
Here's the deal. Do us all a favor; if you get hurt by not using your poles properly don't call SAR; take responsibility for your actions and crawl back to the trail head.
I never said that straps are a bad thing. I typically use poles on terrain that is varied enough that I need to be able to quickly adjust my hand position to account for different ground levels. Using straps makes that impossible.
-
- Posts: 127
- Joined: 7/16/2020
- Trip Reports (0)
Re: Interesting read about trekking poles
So?, you're agreeing with me and disagreeing with many other people here?! That takes courage. (Also, you forgot that trying to grasp the handles while falling with your weak forearm muscles is a weak response.SamWerner wrote: ↑Mon Nov 02, 2020 10:46 am"Straps incorporate the larger triceps and back muscles. Gripping the handles engages the forearm and biceps." Your biceps, when contracted, move your arm from straight to bent. Using handles does not make the fundamental action of using poles change from being a tricep/back dominant movement to being a bicep dominant movement. Regardless of how you hold the pole, you still propel yourself with it by extending your arms. I can't think of a way to significantly work your biceps while using poles without using excessively heavy poles, which is obviously a terrible idea.
I never said that straps are a bad thing. I typically use poles on terrain that is varied enough that I need to be able to quickly adjust my hand position to account for different ground levels. Using straps makes that impossible.
Are you Tallgrass. (P.S. I don't know who Tallgrass is. I'm guessing it is like "Who is John Galt?")