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Re: Hiker Shoots Off-Leash Dog

Posted: Sun Aug 30, 2020 9:38 pm
by pvnisher
Maybe adjust the size of your notches. lol

And for the record, I agree with your sentiment, if not the particulars.

Re: Hiker Shoots Off-Leash Dog

Posted: Sun Aug 30, 2020 9:46 pm
by CaptCO
letitbeirie wrote: Sun Aug 30, 2020 12:08 pm Also isn't it kind of presumptuous of him not to condier the possibility that she might have a gun too?
Completely agree, sounds like a naive/panicked mindset for the shooter. I believe a responsible CWP holder would understand/acknowledge this, and avoid the situation entirely if possible. With no reported injuries to the individual, it makes you wonder. If I was attacked by a dog and had to shoot in response, I would wait for law enforcement to arrive and receive my story. Just my 2 cents



Tornadoman wrote: Sun Aug 30, 2020 8:26 pm I would like to hear the other side of the story from the hiker who shot the dog. My guess is it didn't go down exactly the way the dog owner claims. I am not saying that the dog deserved to be shot by any means, but it would be interesting to hear both sides before casting too much judgement. Sad situation regardless and hopefully the dog will be ok.
Fair enough but regardless still a cowardly act. I can understand if it’s one of the Culebra guard dogs etc, but most (some) people have great etiquette when off-leash. This is one of the few stories where I don’t mind jumping on the victims side, without hearing both stories.

Re: Hiker Shoots Off-Leash Dog

Posted: Sun Aug 30, 2020 11:14 pm
by hellmanm
Anyone who is so trigger-happy as to shoot a dog with the owner around clearly isn't mature enough to own a gun. It's a dog, not a mountain lion or a moose. Injuries can happen, but by and large you don't have to fear for your life when a domestic dog is around you and the owner is nearby. s**t, if the shooter could hear the owner, he could probably have hit her by mistake.

I'm sure there's more to the story, but I struggle to come up with a situation in which this was justified. I'm sure there's a conceivable one out there, but this sounds like a POS who deserves to face both public ridicule and legal repercussions.

Re: Hiker Shoots Off-Leash Dog

Posted: Mon Aug 31, 2020 8:38 am
by highpilgrim
hellmanm wrote: Sun Aug 30, 2020 11:14 pm It's a dog, not a mountain lion or a moose. Injuries can happen, but by and large you don't have to fear for your life when a domestic dog is around you
You ever been bitten badly by a dog? You can't stitch up a bad dog bite. Look up suppurating wound and you'll see it's not all that much fun.

I think I'll wait until the whole story is told before judging anyone.

Re: Hiker Shoots Off-Leash Dog

Posted: Mon Aug 31, 2020 9:27 am
by mtree
Yeah. Think I'll wait for the rest of the story. Seems every time I jump the gun I get flagged for a false start.
Things might not seem so black and white once we hear both sides. I'll just shut up and listen now.

Re: Hiker Shoots Off-Leash Dog

Posted: Mon Aug 31, 2020 9:55 am
by Trailrunner
highpilgrim wrote: Mon Aug 31, 2020 8:38 am
hellmanm wrote: Sun Aug 30, 2020 11:14 pm It's a dog, not a mountain lion or a moose. Injuries can happen, but by and large you don't have to fear for your life when a domestic dog is around you
You ever been bitten badly by a dog? You can't stitch up a bad dog bite. Look up suppurating wound and you'll see it's not all that much fun.

I think I'll wait until the whole story is told before judging anyone.
Dog bites can leave awful scars, even if it wasn't a "bad" dog bite to begin with. I have two ugly puncture wounds on my arm from when I was bit as a kid.

Some people are petrified of dogs. Some people have been bitten and have PTSD. I'm not a huge fan of dogs, and I used to take mace with me on runs just in case I encountered an aggressive dog. I never was pressed to find out if I would use it, though.

I hope we get to hear the other side. I suspect we learn it's not just a trigger happy, anti-off-leash-dog vigilante. ;)

Re: Hiker Shoots Off-Leash Dog

Posted: Mon Aug 31, 2020 10:10 am
by shelly+
please leash your dog. there have been times when i've been alone in the mountains in more isolated spots, feeling tired from a long day and maybe also feeling vulnerable because i'm alone..... when out of nowhere comes a large animal rushing at me full force.... an unleashed dog. awhile later, the owner comes along to tell me he's friendly. yeah? your idea of friendly turned out to be a frightening encounter for someone else.

Re: Hiker Shoots Off-Leash Dog

Posted: Mon Aug 31, 2020 10:20 am
by Somewhat of a Prick
Eagerly awaiting the other side of the story where the rabid off leash dog was lunging and biting at the man's child, or something to that effect.

Re: Hiker Shoots Off-Leash Dog

Posted: Mon Aug 31, 2020 10:22 am
by nunns
hellmanm wrote: Sun Aug 30, 2020 11:14 pm Anyone who is so trigger-happy as to shoot a dog with the owner around clearly isn't mature enough to own a gun. It's a dog, not a mountain lion or a moose. Injuries can happen, but by and large you don't have to fear for your life when a domestic dog is around you and the owner is nearby. s**t, if the shooter could hear the owner, he could probably have hit her by mistake.

I'm sure there's more to the story, but I struggle to come up with a situation in which this was justified. I'm sure there's a conceivable one out there, but this sounds like a POS who deserves to face both public ridicule and legal repercussions.
Not taking a side on this particular case, because I wasn't there and have only one side of the story.

However, I CAN easily think of a case where shooting a dog would be justified. A large dog rushing at me off-leash menacingly enough that I feared serious bodily harm would be enough to make me pull the trigger (although this is hypothetical for me since I don't carry on mountains).

I broke up a situation in my neighborhood a month ago where an off-leash dog was viciously attacking an on-leash dog AND its owner in the street. Had I had a gun with me I would probably have used it. Later I was told by a neighbor that the off-leash dog frequently is out and behaving aggressively towards people.

Sean Nunn

Re: Hiker Shoots Off-Leash Dog

Posted: Mon Aug 31, 2020 10:23 am
by CaptCO
Somewhat of a Prick wrote: Mon Aug 31, 2020 10:20 am Eagerly awaiting the other side of the story where the rabid off leash dog was lunging and biting at the man's child, or something to that effect.
You’re telling me a man of your build would rather shoot a dog than man-handle it away from your child, I’d imagine it wouldn’t take much. If a dog is attacking your child, are you really going to blast a 9mm or .45 right next to them? Doubt it, interested in both stories as well

Re: Hiker Shoots Off-Leash Dog

Posted: Mon Aug 31, 2020 10:25 am
by Somewhat of a Prick
CaptCO wrote: Mon Aug 31, 2020 10:23 am
Somewhat of a Prick wrote: Mon Aug 31, 2020 10:20 am Eagerly awaiting the other side of the story where the rabid off leash dog was lunging and biting at the man's child, or something to that effect.
You’re telling me a man of your build would rather shoot a dog than man-handle it away from your child, I’d imagine it wouldn’t take much. If a dog is attacking your child, are you really going to blast a 9mm or .45 right next to them? Doubt it, interested in both stories as well
I'm not telling you that.

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Re: Hiker Shoots Off-Leash Dog

Posted: Mon Aug 31, 2020 10:28 am
by Cruiser
100% chance that the dog in the op's story doesn't get shot that day if the owner just follows the clearly marked rules and keeps their dog on a 6' leash. Simple as that.