Hiker Shoots Off-Leash Dog

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A couple of years ago I was charged by an off-leash pitbull at the exact same location, Windsor Lake. Just walking by the lake on my way to the ridge. The owner managed to call off the dog before it made contact. I pretty much used up all of my adrenaline for the month, though. I've seen that even "nice" dogs can get very defensive out in the wilderness.
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Cruiser wrote: Mon Aug 31, 2020 10:28 am 100% chance that the dog in the op's story doesn't get shot that day if the owner just follows the clearly marked rules and keeps their dog on a 6' leash. Simple as that.
Sure and if no one ever went hiking it also wouldn't be a problem.
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mindfolded wrote: Mon Aug 31, 2020 10:42 am
Cruiser wrote: Mon Aug 31, 2020 10:28 am 100% chance that the dog in the op's story doesn't get shot that day if the owner just follows the clearly marked rules and keeps their dog on a 6' leash. Simple as that.
Sure and if no one ever went hiking it also wouldn't be a problem.
Pretty sure it's still perfectly legal to go hiking. The person who broke the rules here is the dog owner.

Why is Fido so special that his need to run free on a mountainside supercedes his owner's duty to abide by the law of the land?
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I doubt the dog had one but there is such thing as a legitimate off-leash dog license
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Cruiser wrote: Mon Aug 31, 2020 11:02 am
mindfolded wrote: Mon Aug 31, 2020 10:42 am
Cruiser wrote: Mon Aug 31, 2020 10:28 am 100% chance that the dog in the op's story doesn't get shot that day if the owner just follows the clearly marked rules and keeps their dog on a 6' leash. Simple as that.
Sure and if no one ever went hiking it also wouldn't be a problem.
Pretty sure it's still perfectly legal to go hiking. The person who broke the rules here is the dog owner.

Why is Fido so special that his need to run free on a mountainside supercedes his owner's duty to abide by the law of the land?

Really, shooting a gun at a live animal isn't illegal????? Okay, I'll just say it...anyone who thinks they need to carry a gun while hiking in Colorado is seriously fucked in the head.
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12ersRule wrote: Mon Aug 31, 2020 11:07 am Really, shooting a gun at a live animal isn't illegal?????

You might be surprised, but depending on the situation its not.
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12ersRule wrote: Mon Aug 31, 2020 11:07 am
Cruiser wrote: Mon Aug 31, 2020 11:02 am
mindfolded wrote: Mon Aug 31, 2020 10:42 am

Sure and if no one ever went hiking it also wouldn't be a problem.
Pretty sure it's still perfectly legal to go hiking. The person who broke the rules here is the dog owner.

Why is Fido so special that his need to run free on a mountainside supercedes his owner's duty to abide by the law of the land?

Really, shooting a gun at a live animal isn't illegal????? Okay, I'll just say it...anyone who thinks they need to carry a gun while hiking in Colorado is seriously fucked in the head.
I car camp in my tent with one, does that make me soft? 17+ 115gr are too heavy for hiking..
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But having your dog of leash in a wilderness area is illegal. No question about that. The shooting piece of the argument can be viewed as being more muddy but the leash part is crystal clear.
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You are correct, there’s no substitute for breaking the leash law (guilty as charged). Just another example of an inferior citizen overreacting
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the average dog owner in colorado is a dipshit, evidenced by many of the pro dog voices on this thread

a lot of gun owners are dipshits too

dogs can be unpredictable

i too will await the full story
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Lots of speculation here, especially from the crowd that apparently fantasizes about having a defensible reason to shoot a domestic dog.

I hike with my dog almost every weekend, and I let her off leash often. I do, however, target areas where we're almost guaranteed not to see another group, and if we do, I only let her roam free when I have a full field of view and there's a negligible chance she'll be able to approach anyone without their consent. Or, more succinctly put, I usually only let her off leash on 13ers above treeline. I've also invested a lot of time and energy on building recall. On 14ers or crowded trails, or when we're in close range to another party, she's on leash 100% of the time. It's a bummer, but it's for her own protection as well as out of respect for fellow trail users. You never know what wildlife could be just out of view; a moose or mountain lion, or apparently a person with a gun, might be lurking. Or another reactive dog who might not be friendly if approached. You also never know which other hikers might be fearful of or simply disgusted by dogs. I wouldn't want my dog to ruin another person's day. Too many owners act like because they love their dog, everyone must love their dog — and there are plenty of people out there who don't.

If nothing else, I use a leash because I believe other dogs and owners have just as much right to use a hiking trail as I do, and they might have reactivity or aggression issues that could at best cause anxiety and at worst lead to an expensive vet visit. If they're adhering to the law, it's a shame for them to have to worry about dozens of off-leash dogs running up to them every five minutes. Those dogs and owners deserve to be outdoors, too. I love seeing my dog run free in the mountains — she's seldom happier — but the hard truth is that most life-threatening situations that occur to dogs in the backcountry can be avoided by using a leash and following the rules. Including this one.

It also has to be said that, whether the stereotypes are true or not, many people view pitbulls as terrifying. I doubt this incident would have occurred to a goldendoodle. I know many pitbulls that are sweet as can be, and I'm not trying to perpetuate misinformation, but breed was likely a factor in the gunman deciding to pull the trigger. If you own a large breed that's considered as possibly dangerous by society at large, my thoughts on keeping them on a leash are amplified.
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The article almost trips over itself trying to communicate that they only have 1 side of the story. Just the tone of the reporting makes me wonder what the other side is.

But like others, I'm struggling to think of a realistic scenario here where it's ok to shoot an un-leashed dog. Come on man.
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