Unleashed dogs in wilderness

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Re: Unleashed dogs in wilderness

Post by My-Therapy » Thu Aug 11, 2016 7:41 am

A few years back I was coming down the steep slope on Mt. Yale and at around 13,000' 2 dogs running up the trail with their owner over 100 yards away started attacking my dog (who was on a leash). I had to kick the dogs away while trying to pick my dog up (she is 40 lbs.). Even after I had my dogs in my arms the other 2 off leash dogs kept leaping up on me and biting at my dog’s legs and feet. Eventually I lost my balance and fell over while still holding my dog, but fortunately the owner finally arrived and called her dogs off. The owner seemed clueless that what had just happened was a direct result of not having her dogs under control and on a leash. Although she was yelling at the dogs while she made her way up to me, the dogs did not respond at all. After she shooed her dogs away from me and pushed them up the trail, she made a quick under her breath apology and kept hiking.

I have lost count on how many times I have had dog owners with off leash dogs tell me sorry for approaching me and nearly starting a fight with my dog, sorry for getting into my backpack while I’m taking a break along the trail, sorry for trying to steal food out of my hand, sorry as their dog/dogs approach me and stop/block the trail and force me to stop hiking, sorry for wandering into my campsite in search of food, or “don’t worry my dog is friendly”. Often these occurrences have happened in areas where dogs are supposed to be leashed, but owners just don’t seem to care. Apparently their dog is an angel and the laws and general courtesy doesn’t apply to them.

I have been a lifelong dog owner and lover, but I really feel that on most hiking trails dogs need to be on leash, especially 14er and other popular trails.

Collegiate Peak Wilderness rules include- DOGS-

Please remember, DOGS MUST BE ON A LEASH AT ALL TIMES! Dogs can harass, stress, injure or kill wildlife, annoy fellow hikers and introduce disease.
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Re: Unleashed dogs in wilderness

Post by rijaca » Thu Aug 11, 2016 7:53 am

randalmartin wrote: If I had a dollar for every time a dog owner has said, "My dog responds to voice commands.....". Such BS.
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Re: Unleashed dogs in wilderness

Post by oldschool » Thu Aug 11, 2016 8:12 am

Jesse M wrote:
Jon Frohlich wrote:
Jesse M wrote:Had my dog been with me, the situation could have been much worse, an intact husky on a leash that is very defensive of me.
Why do you have an intact husky?
None of your business
Awesome response....clear, concise, to the point.
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Re: Unleashed dogs in wilderness

Post by gspup » Thu Aug 11, 2016 8:14 am

I have two dogs who I bring to the woods often and try to be as courteous as possible with them. Both dogs are hunting trained and absolutely respond to my commands, but I am perfectly happy keeping them on leash too. The steps below have helped me be a less annoying dog owner...I think.

1) If a trail has a leash law, then they are on a leash. Simple and probably avoids most issues.

2) If dogs are allowed off leash, I let them off. I keep them close (usually behind me) and if we see another dog coming our way or a party with small children I leash my dogs. Popular trails they are usually on leash until we get past the crowds.

3) If your dog doesn't listen, has any aggression ect. just keep them on a leash or leave them at home. So many people think they're dogs listen well and they completely ignore the owner haha. It's really that simple.

4) Clean the poop. I've found bringing air tight plastic tupperware keeps the stink in and your gear safe. People 'forgetting' to pick up their poop bags on the hike out is way too common

Intact males...there are many reasons to keep your dog's balls, I won't get into that. Just because a dog is intact doesn't make it aggressive :lol: . Many male hunting dogs are intact for at least some time in their life and I've never seen a dog fight hunting. You know why...because the dogs are well trained and socialized.
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Re: Unleashed dogs in wilderness

Post by Oldskool70 » Thu Aug 11, 2016 8:27 am

The only time I have been bitten (twice now) by a dog has been by ones that were actually on leashes!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! And my 12 year old son- bitten by a dog on a leash also on a trail !!!!!!!!!

Lightning, mountain lions, twisted ankle, etc. All are not as high on my worry list as people's pets. And just like the for-mentioned hazards, peoples pooches will never go away.

No turning back on my opinion at this point. I have two pepper sprays (one for my wife & one for me) ready... & whatever else I get a hold on to protect myself & my family.

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Re: Unleashed dogs in wilderness

Post by gspup » Thu Aug 11, 2016 8:33 am

Oldskool70 wrote:The only time I have been bitten (twice now) by a dog has been by ones that were actually on leashes!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! And my 12 year old son- bitten by a dog on a leash also on a trail !!!!!!!!!
It's really amazing that so many people bring their aggressive dogs into crowded public areas. That is the main reason I leash my dog when I see other dogs leashed in off-leash areas, sometimes it's a sign that dog is aggressive. If they have a yellow ribbon on their collar/leash you should be extra careful, it's the signal in the dog community.
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Re: Unleashed dogs in wilderness

Post by Jon Frohlich » Thu Aug 11, 2016 8:43 am

oldschool wrote: Awesome response....clear, concise, to the point.
And completely answered my question as well.

I have a house full of rescued pets who are all spayed and neutered. There is no reason at all not to do so. My wife and I have fostered dogs for rescue organizations that require spaying and neutering. There are too many unwanted pets in shelters already being euthanized every day. We don't need more.

I don't care if it's not the opinion you guys like. I don't support intact pets. Period. I think it's irresponsible.
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Re: Unleashed dogs in wilderness

Post by Stevo » Thu Aug 11, 2016 8:44 am

I am usually of the opinion that dogs can be fine off leash but three weeks ago I witnessed an interesting situation with a friend's german short hair. His dog has always responded extremely well to voice commands, has an electronic collar, and has spent two full time 6 week stints getting trained by a professional hunting guide (though the dog absolutely does not and could not hunt).

We were camping in Gould where there are small cabins and your neighbors are like 20' away. It was just after dark and we were all sitting at the picnic table while the dog was cruising around off leash. We had two neighbors and one of the was walking back from the shower and the dog ran towards him in a playful manner and turned right before he reached our neighbor. I have known the dog for a long time and know he is not aggressive and recognized this was just playful behavior. Our camping neighbor saw it coming and was a just slightly surprised but made some playful motions back. Then about 10 minutes later our other neighbor came back and the dog did the same thing. However, this time the other neighbor completely froze up out of fear. It was still the playful dog that we knew but that poor guy was completely scared sh*itless. After about 30 seconds he puts his hand over his chest and walks away.

I've known the dog for years and know that he would never hurt anyone but that situation provided me a new outlook of the whole on leash/off leash situation. Our neighbor had no clue what that dog was doing. He just saw a dark dog lunging towards him in the dark out of nowhere. Looking back my friend should have leashed him after the first guy but I think he just thought the dog was playing and no big deal. It made it worse for me when I found out the second guy had some sort of pre-existing heart condition. Watching the fear that this guy experienced was horrible and I wouldn't want to see that on anyone ever again.
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Re: Unleashed dogs in wilderness

Post by Oldskool70 » Thu Aug 11, 2016 8:56 am

gspup wrote:
Oldskool70 wrote:The only time I have been bitten (twice now) by a dog has been by ones that were actually on leashes!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! And my 12 year old son- bitten by a dog on a leash also on a trail !!!!!!!!!
It's really amazing that so many people bring their aggressive dogs into crowded public areas. That is the main reason I leash my dog when I see other dogs leashed in off-leash areas, sometimes it's a sign that dog is aggressive. If they have a yellow ribbon on their collar/leash you should be extra careful, it's the signal in the dog community.
I did not know that. Thanks for the tip!!!
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Re: Unleashed dogs in wilderness

Post by Scott P » Thu Aug 11, 2016 9:34 am

Richard Derkase wrote:
Jesse M wrote: I will never be made to feel like that again.

This event took place on segment 12 in the Collegiate Peaks Wilderness near the ridge of Waverly Mountain at 11,500+, after hiking 19 miles, it was getting late, and I still had 2 miles to camp at Pine Creek.
I'm curious...

Why/how the hell are you taking pictures of a dog in the process of attacking you? Don't you think a trekking pole up side his head would have been more appropriate?

Or a good blast of bear spray in the face. That'll do the trick.

Positioning yourself for social media seems misplaced, certainly given the circumstances.

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If at all possible (and if I could do so without putting myself in danger), I would take a photo of the dog. That way it could be identified. Plus, if it did bite me, I could show which dog it was. I could also prove that it was attacking me if I had to injury or kill it.
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Re: Unleashed dogs in wilderness

Post by oldschoolczar » Thu Aug 11, 2016 9:36 am

I'd like to remind people not to pet stranger's dogs as you walk by them on the trail. You don't just reach out and touch an unknown little child's or a cute baby's face every time you walk by them, so please don't touch my dog. Don't let her try to get to know you by sniffing your hand... she doesn't need to know or like you. She's a dog.

It's best to just ignore an unknown dog. Let the dog meet you on it's terms.

My dog will completely ignore every other dog and person as she follows closely behind me off leash, never getting more than 10ft from me. It's like other people/animals don't exist at all. However, if you try to pet my dog as you pass by, she'll get scared because she doesn't know you and she's not going to like it. This will happen whether she's on or off a leash. So just don't f*$# with people's dogs.
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Re: Unleashed dogs in wilderness

Post by oldschoolczar » Thu Aug 11, 2016 9:55 am

Richard Derkase wrote:
Scott P wrote:and if I could do so without putting myself in danger
If, and only if.

I love dogs but a loose aggressive one gets no free pass. Boom! It'll think twice next time, as will it's lame-ass owner.

Dick
Wow! You sound so tough and dangerous. Maybe you should be on a leash?
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