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Re: stuck truck on Mt. Cameron

Post by Kojones » Fri Sep 11, 2009 6:36 am

marscip wrote:Showed up on http://www.kdvr.com" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false; this morning - http://www.kdvr.com/news/kdvr-stuck-tru ... otogallery" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;
I submitted this as something fun they could follow. I hope they keep up on it, as those news stations tend to put some work into finding "the other side of the story" for entertainment.

I hope they asked permission for the photos first, though #-o

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Re: stuck truck on Mt. Cameron

Post by mountaingoat-G » Fri Sep 11, 2009 8:45 am

You know, after looking at the pictures, the excuse that this might have been a "road" on a topo mapo does not hold up. Just look at the "road".. it's a trail at best, no matter what the map says.
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Re: stuck truck on Mt. Cameron

Post by Steve Climber » Fri Sep 11, 2009 9:14 am

mountaingoat-G wrote:You know, after looking at the pictures, the excuse that this might have been a "road" on a topo mapo does not hold up. Just look at the "road".. it's a trail at best, no matter what the map says.
The entire Rubicon Trail (including the Little Sluice, which isn't even a trail at best) in CA is a "road" on google maps. Anyone that has driven through the L.S. can tell you its a pile of very large boulders, but its still designated a road, a 4x4 trail.

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Re: stuck truck on Mt. Cameron

Post by getwrenchy » Fri Sep 11, 2009 9:15 am

In response to making fun of the guy's poor decision making; at any point in his journey he could have put it in reverse and backed up to a place that he could turn around. Yes we all make poor choices and learn from them, but this guy was like 45-50 and it probably wasn't his first time off roading. What makes it even worse was that he (and me and my friend) sat there and watched the dirt biker ahead of him get stuck because of all the loose rock and dirt. Any man that didn't need to hold on to his pride so much would have made the decision to abort mission at that point. Basically I compare it to he refused to stop and ask directions and now he's lost.
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Re: stuck truck on Mt. Cameron

Post by upndown » Fri Sep 11, 2009 9:44 am

getwrenchy wrote: Yes we all make poor choices and learn from them,
I'll bet he learns something from this one.
getwrenchy wrote: but this guy was like 45-50 and it probably wasn't his first time off roading.
I don't know him - so I couldn't say one way or the other.
What I can say is that he got stuck - the same thing that happens on 4wd roads all over the state all the time. (yes - I know it is more of a trail than a road, but it is designated as a 4wd road) For whatever reason, this one has people armed with tar and feathers.
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Re: stuck truck on Mt. Cameron

Post by wildlobo71 » Fri Sep 11, 2009 10:12 am

upndown wrote:(I know it is more of a trail than a road, but it is designated as a 4wd road) For whatever reason, this one has people armed with tar and feathers.
There's an exclusivity that permeates with many people on this website that the summit experience is for hikers alone, not those in cars. They forgive people who claim to have "summited" Pikes Peak and Mt. Evans by vehicle, but wish to relegate 4WD recreation to places they aren't at and won't be at. When a vehicle enters the realm they feel is sacred to their enjoyment - especially when it sticks out in such an obvious manner as this does - it's an easy target for them to ridicule.
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Re: stuck truck on Mt. Cameron

Post by BillMiddlebrook » Fri Sep 11, 2009 10:19 am

I think the biggest problem with this incident, and ones like it in the past, is that he went BEYOND the road and tried driving up a trail. Many hikers probably wouldn't have given it much thought if the vehicle was seen on the road.

It would be kinda like someone driving their motorcycle up the Mt. Evans road and then saying "Hey, I'll just ride up this trail to get to the top!" The more that I think about it, it may have already been done.
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Re: stuck truck on Mt. Cameron

Post by wildlobo71 » Fri Sep 11, 2009 10:29 am

Agreed; some of the older quad maps don't show where the "Jeep Trail" becomes a "Pack Trail" until it may be too late. Argentine Pass - Jeep Trail up to the summit from Guanella, definitely not a jeep trail to the south (and, no, it doesn't stop the idiots.) I wasn't sure if this was the case or not as I've seen plenty of vehicles on the saddle between Bross and Lincoln for CFI work and the like.

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Re: stuck truck on Mt. Cameron

Post by MountainHiker » Fri Sep 11, 2009 10:56 am

BillMiddlebrook wrote: I think the biggest problem with this incident, and ones like it in the past, is that he went BEYOND the road and tried driving up a trail. Many hikers probably wouldn't have given it much thought if the vehicle was seen on the road.
Agree, I have seen vehicles all the way up the road on Bross.
wildlobo71 wrote:Agreed; some of the older quad maps don't show where the "Jeep Trail" becomes a "Pack Trail" until it may be too late. Argentine Pass - Jeep Trail up to the summit from Guanella, definitely not a jeep trail to the south (and, no, it doesn't stop the idiots.) I wasn't sure if this was the case or not as I've seen plenty of vehicles on the saddle between Bross and Lincoln for CFI work and the like.
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Re: stuck truck on Mt. Cameron

Post by larkinrx2 » Fri Sep 11, 2009 10:59 am

will they make him winterize it?
take out battery, drain antifreeze that obviously wont make it up there at those temps/winds?
i wonder if any marmots got the brake lines yet?
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Re: stuck truck on Mt. Cameron

Post by KentonB » Fri Sep 11, 2009 11:04 am

All I know is, I'm hiking the Decalibron fast before they close it again.
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Re: stuck truck on Mt. Cameron

Post by upndown » Fri Sep 11, 2009 11:32 am

BillMiddlebrook wrote:I think the biggest problem with this incident, and ones like it in the past, is that he went BEYOND the road and tried driving up a trail. Many hikers probably wouldn't have given it much thought if the vehicle was seen on the road.
Right - and I get that. He deserves what he gets. There's no cheap, easy way to get that thing out of there so one way or another, he'll pay.
BillMiddlebrook wrote: It would be kinda like someone driving their motorcycle up the Mt. Evans road and then saying "Hey, I'll just ride up this trail to get to the top!" The more that I think about it, it may have already been done.
Would that be legal?
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