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I will never understand why the new 4runners have that stupid gas tank hanging down so low.

While we're on chic vehicles, what is the 4 runner's '2H'? No locking hubs, so it just locks the tcase and disengages front, but driveline is still turning right?

Conor wrote: ↑Tue Aug 25, 2020 9:59 am I will never understand why the new 4runners have that stupid gas tank hanging down so low.

While we're on chic vehicles, what is the 4 runner's '2H'? No locking hubs, so it just locks the tcase and disengages front, but driveline is still turning right?

i think on any other vehicle if you looked at the automatic shifter control knob it would say nothing other than "D" for what toyota is calling 2H

Conor wrote: ↑Tue Aug 25, 2020 9:59 am I will never understand why the new 4runners have that stupid gas tank hanging down so low.

While we're on chic vehicles, what is the 4 runner's '2H'? No locking hubs, so it just locks the tcase and disengages front, but driveline is still turning right?

Depends on the trim level. Some of them (the older Limiteds maybe?) have a full time 4wd system with a center locking diff in the tcase. Most come with a true 2H. They use a system called the ADD system (automatic differential disconnect) in the front end to keep the front driveline from turning. The system essentially does the same thing as locking/unlocking the hubs, but disconnects at the front axle inside the passenger side axle tube instead of at the hub.

I have a 2014 TRD Offroad Tacoma. It's been pretty much with me from my first to last 14er. The locker paid dividends four times. (Umcompahgre, Castle Conundrum upper TH, Sangre peaks, etc) I have about 70k on the truck at this point. Could probably have made it without the locker, but it's a nice feature. I have kept the truck stock and have been very happy with the fuel mileage and reliability. Will probably just replace it with a TRD sport someday. Simple and easy. I was a big Jeep guy for the first 15 years or so, and would love a nice CJ5 or CJ6 someday. Either way, the Taco took care of everything and tied it up with a bow. The only 14er upper TH I didn't make, was Little Bear. We just parked below the first major feature and walked the rest. Was easy and not a big deal. After all, isn't that why we hike any way to tag these peaks.

There are so many good vehicles out there lately. I have a friend casually tagging peaks with a Jeep Renegade Trailhawk. He takes his time weaving between larger stuff, but otherwise is having a blast and keeping it within budget. All within your skill and comfort level.

I am going to blow up the whole thread by declaring, on paper at least, that the 2021 Bronco is going to blow all these away. It's off-the-lot available options and capabilities are jaw dropping.

its_not_a_tuba wrote: ↑Tue Aug 25, 2020 11:47 am I am going to blow up the whole thread by declaring, on paper at least, that the 2021 Bronco is going to blow all these away. It's off-the-lot available options and capabilities are jaw dropping.

i wont necessarily dispute this

my problem right now with this vehicle and ford in general that they make one vehicle, and the create a matrix of about 600 versions with different pricing when you look at all the trim levels and package options

obnoxious as s**t. figuring out how to do pricing comparisons between a bronco that's similarly equipped as any TRD PRO, or Offroad, or my Titan PRO, is not that simple. it makes me stop looking at them when i know there are so many very capable, cheaper, and simpler vehicles in the world

ford needs to stop this. you can buy like 1000 different versions of a 2015 F150

Has anyone looked at Tesla Cybertruck yet? Up to 16" ground clearance...

Reg0928 wrote: ↑Tue Aug 25, 2020 10:25 am

Conor wrote: ↑Tue Aug 25, 2020 9:59 am I will never understand why the new 4runners have that stupid gas tank hanging down so low.

While we're on chic vehicles, what is the 4 runner's '2H'? No locking hubs, so it just locks the tcase and disengages front, but driveline is still turning right?

Depends on the trim level. Some of them (the older Limiteds maybe?) have a full time 4wd system with a center locking diff in the tcase. Most come with a true 2H. They use a system called the ADD system (automatic differential disconnect) in the front end to keep the front driveline from turning. The system essentially does the same thing as locking/unlocking the hubs, but disconnects at the front axle inside the passenger side axle tube instead of at the hub.

Gotcha and thanks, so the axles and diff are turning but not the drive shaft.

its_not_a_tuba wrote: ↑Tue Aug 25, 2020 11:47 am I am going to blow up the whole thread by declaring, on paper at least, that the 2021 Bronco is going to blow all these away. It's off-the-lot available options and capabilities are jaw dropping.

The only thing wrong with the Bronco is that it's made by Ford. Aside from that, it's the best stock offroad rig I have ever seen.

Conor wrote: ↑Tue Aug 25, 2020 12:29 pm

Reg0928 wrote: ↑Tue Aug 25, 2020 10:25 am

Conor wrote: ↑Tue Aug 25, 2020 9:59 am I will never understand why the new 4runners have that stupid gas tank hanging down so low.

While we're on chic vehicles, what is the 4 runner's '2H'? No locking hubs, so it just locks the tcase and disengages front, but driveline is still turning right?

Depends on the trim level. Some of them (the older Limiteds maybe?) have a full time 4wd system with a center locking diff in the tcase. Most come with a true 2H. They use a system called the ADD system (automatic differential disconnect) in the front end to keep the front driveline from turning. The system essentially does the same thing as locking/unlocking the hubs, but disconnects at the front axle inside the passenger side axle tube instead of at the hub.

Gotcha and thanks, so the axles and diff are turning but not the drive shaft.

Yep, the axles turn, and the spider gears in the front diff turn due to the driver's side CV still being connected to the diff. Only the spiders in the front diff rotate, though, not the entire ring and pinion. Disconnecting the passenger axle allows the ring and pinion (and thus driveshaft) to remain stationary in the front end while the spiders rotate.

3rd owner of a stock 2000 Jeep Cherokee nearing 300K. It does extremely well on trails and I can sleep in the back fine.

If you're someone who isn't mechanically inclined, wants a newer vehicle, not going to beat up your vehicle off-roading a lot/dealing with a lot of rocks and/or does a lot of long distance traveling then perhaps a Toyota or Subaru will do you best.

If not then a older Jeep like mine is perfect. I can't speak for the newer Jeeps but old Jeeps with the 4.0 engine are amazing. These Jeeps can last a long time if taken care of and do your regular maintenance when you are suppose to.

Old Jeeps can do anything whether or not fan boys of other brands say otherwise. Keep in mind yes each vehicle has their issues but for someone to say Jeeps are s**t when my old Jeep is still going strong with the original engine, is either lying to themselves or they did not take car of their Jeep(s).

ker0uac wrote: ↑Tue Aug 25, 2020 12:33 pm

its_not_a_tuba wrote: ↑Tue Aug 25, 2020 11:47 am I am going to blow up the whole thread by declaring, on paper at least, that the 2021 Bronco is going to blow all these away. It's off-the-lot available options and capabilities are jaw dropping.

The only thing wrong with the Bronco is that it's made by Ford. Aside from that, it's the best stock offroad rig I have ever seen.

I don't know much about the new Bronco and don't own a Ford (I own a Toyota) but I'm not sure Ford deserves to be bashed - they make and sell an awful lot of good trucks.