Maroon, Mothballs, and a note from the USFS

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Re: Maroon, Mothballs, and a note from the USFS

Postby djkest » Mon Sep 24, 2012 10:44 pm

Nice post, Jennifer. Thanks for stopping by.
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Re: Maroon, Mothballs, and a note from the USFS

Postby milan » Mon Sep 24, 2012 11:43 pm

Jennifer, thank you for posting and even for asking your people about that. I think this happened just because of lack of education. Most of the people on this site care about the mountains we love and are happy that it's being maintained by people like you. The incident is unfortunate and probably someone was stupid which coincidentally went together with the sign of your colleague but in general, I don't like using chemicals outdoors (maybe except mosquito spray), have you thought of a sign asking for removal of all of the mothballs or not reccomending to use them or banning them at all? And for curiosity, why are the porcupines problem only until mid July when they are around later in the year too? I probably agree, I climbed in the Elks only in Augusts and Septembers and was OK.
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Re: Maroon, Mothballs, and a note from the USFS

Postby coloradokevin » Tue Sep 25, 2012 12:37 am

Wow... this thread has really raised a lot of questions for me, as someone who has never actually used or handled a mothball (but has certainly heard of them).


1) How dangerous are these things in the real world? (from the perspective of those of us who also aren't worried that our non-BPA-free water bottles are going to kill us tomorrow)

I see some people talking of mothballs in this thread as if they're cyanide, while others seem completely unconcerned with their use. Since I've never used a mothball, I have to wonder. I'm not taking opinions on mothballs at this point, until I have more information.

2) What is an effective technique for porcupine deterrence?

We've all heard about the issues with these critters in that area, but no one seems to have come up with a reliable method of porcupine protection (despite routine use of mothballs, urine, chicken wire, and other methods).

3) Are porcupines legal to kill (not suggesting it for that natural area, but just wondering)?

I pulled out my small game hunting regulation book, and can't find a single mention of this species. I don't think they're endangered or threatened either, which would generally leave a species open to hunting. Obviously shooting them is more hazardous to their health than mothballing them, but I digress. I'm really just curious on this third question, since I know they're a legal species to hunt in a number of other states.
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Re: Maroon, Mothballs, and a note from the USFS

Postby Hypersnow » Wed Sep 26, 2012 5:25 pm

coloradokevin wrote:3) Are porcupines legal to kill (not suggesting it for that natural area, but just wondering)?


Yes, but obviously not the technique we would like to use in this area.

coloradokevin wrote:2) What is an effective technique for porcupine deterrence?


Chicken wire works the best (at least from what I have seen); but has the same problem as mothballs; cleaning up what you bring. Or just being in a parking area with many other cars, and hope your car doesn't get picked by the porky. None of the measures you listed have proven entirely effective from my observations...

milan wrote:And for curiosity, why are the porcupines problem only until mid July when they are around later in the year too?


Not entirely positive, but we believe it to be the winter stress and lack of salt sources in the winter. They get caught up by mid-July; or natural sources become more available. It makes sense anyway.
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Re: Maroon, Mothballs, and a note from the USFS

Postby climbingaggie03 » Wed Sep 26, 2012 8:33 pm

Hypersnow wrote:
coloradokevin wrote:3) Are porcupines legal to kill (not suggesting it for that natural area, but just wondering)?


Yes, but obviously not the technique we would like to use in this area.
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I can see that it's not the forest service's job to go shooting porcupines, but could average citizens do it? would they need a license or is there a porcupine season?
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Re: Maroon, Mothballs, and a note from the USFS

Postby CMCMG » Wed Sep 26, 2012 10:44 pm

The Small Game brochure does not seem to list porcupines specifically on the menu of species to harvest. However, here are two-bits of information about Porcupines listed below. Hope it helps.

1.) https://docs.google.com/a/oci.org/viewe ... 722g&pli=1

The Bells are in White River National Forest which is hunting area #43. I wonder what the regulations are at this special location within Pitkin/Gunnison Counties?
If you don't want to harvest them, here's another option.

2.) http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bcPDiOmqi48&feature=related
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Re: Maroon, Mothballs, and a note from the USFS

Postby coloradokevin » Thu Sep 27, 2012 12:03 am

CMCMG wrote:The Small Game brochure does not seem to list porcupines specifically on the menu of species to harvest. However, here are two-bits of information about Porcupines listed below. Hope it helps.

1.) https://docs.google.com/a/oci.org/viewe ... 722g&pli=1

The Bells are in White River National Forest which is hunting area #43. I wonder what the regulations are at this special location within Pitkin/Gunnison Counties?
If you don't want to harvest them, here's another option.

2.) http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bcPDiOmqi48&feature=related



That video made my night :)

Thanks for the nuisance animal information, I had previously read that stuff, but couldn't find it when I went looking for it. For those who were wondering, I'm not planning to hunt porcupines at the Maroon Lake TH... the question was purely posed for curiosity sake. Nevertheless, if I return to my car to find one eating it, I may rethink that position!

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