Avalanche San Juans- The Nose

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Re: Avalanche San Juans- The Nose

Post by CaptCO » Mon Feb 08, 2021 12:59 pm

https://avalanche.state.co.us/caic/acc/ ... iew=public

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:( “ The avalanche caught Riders 1, 2, 3, and 4. Rider 4 described the avalanche as two waves. The first wave slowly pulled him into the gully, but he was able to stay on his feet. Thinking there was enough snow to bury him if he fell over, he deployed the avalanche airbag on his backpack. After the snow stopped he was standing in the gully. Seconds later a larger wave of snow hit him from behind. Rider 4 immediately lost his skis and poles. He was engulfed in snow and tumbled violently. “It felt like I was in a river and I was fully under the snow for approximately 15 to 25 seconds” Rider 4 explained, and was “moving very fast a significant way down the gully”. When the avalanche stopped, Rider 4 was buried in the debris with his head under the snow, but a portion of his airbag was visible on the surface (partially buried-critical). Riders 1, 2, and 3 were completely buried in the avalanche debris.”
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Re: Avalanche San Juans- The Nose

Post by speth » Tue Feb 09, 2021 10:18 am

Is there any definitive studies on the impact from airbag systems? Anecdotally, it seems to make a huge difference, but I'd appreciate to see a comparison or a list of escape/not when using an airbag.
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Re: Avalanche San Juans- The Nose

Post by Snow_Dog_frassati » Tue Feb 09, 2021 10:35 am

speth wrote:
Tue Feb 09, 2021 10:18 am
Is there any definitive studies on the impact from airbag systems? Anecdotally, it seems to make a huge difference, but I'd appreciate to see a comparison or a list of escape/not when using an airbag.
I have heard numbers as high as a "50% better chance of survival." I got that from an episode of the Snowbrains podcast.
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Re: Avalanche San Juans- The Nose

Post by curt86iroc » Tue Feb 09, 2021 10:54 am

speth wrote:
Tue Feb 09, 2021 10:18 am
Is there any definitive studies on the impact from airbag systems? Anecdotally, it seems to make a huge difference, but I'd appreciate to see a comparison or a list of escape/not when using an airbag.
not definitive, but interesting analysis specific to CO:

https://static1.squarespace.com/static/ ... EM-Avi.pdf
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Re: Avalanche San Juans- The Nose

Post by gb » Tue Feb 09, 2021 10:56 am

speth wrote:
Tue Feb 09, 2021 10:18 am
Is there any definitive studies on the impact from airbag systems? Anecdotally, it seems to make a huge difference, but I'd appreciate to see a comparison or a list of escape/not when using an airbag.
Most research has been done in Europe, where the ski terrain is far more favorable to successful airbag use (fewer trees and big fan-shaped avalanche runout zones in many cases). Airbags aren't necessarily helpful in gladed terrain where trauma is as big of a concern as getting buried. Here's at least one study done in NA: https://backcountryaccess.com/en-us/blo ... he-airbags

Honestly it's quite surprising that the airbag was helpful in this case, since they don't tend to be very effective in terrain traps like the gully in this accident. The skier was still buried, but the airbag was visible so the rescuers didn't have to waste any time searching and could quickly dig him/her out.

Both skiers in the accident on Battleship this season, which is just a couple of miles away, deployed airbags but were buried anyway. I use one throughout the winter but it's no magic bullet.
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Re: Avalanche San Juans- The Nose

Post by Barnold41 » Tue Feb 09, 2021 1:52 pm

Airbags don't really do much if there's 20 feet of snow on top...
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Re: Avalanche San Juans- The Nose

Post by docinco » Tue Feb 09, 2021 3:04 pm

CaptCO wrote:
Tue Feb 02, 2021 7:10 pm
That’s very unfortunate. I’d recommend leaving this thread to rest until the families are able to receive confirmation. 14ers people are so nosy
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Re: Avalanche San Juans- The Nose

Post by CaptCO » Tue Feb 09, 2021 5:42 pm

docinco wrote:
Tue Feb 09, 2021 3:04 pm
CaptCO wrote:
Tue Feb 02, 2021 7:10 pm
That’s very unfortunate. I’d recommend leaving this thread to rest until the families are able to receive confirmation. 14ers people are so nosy
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Re: Avalanche San Juans- The Nose

Post by Jorts » Tue Feb 09, 2021 8:05 pm

Barnold41 wrote:
Tue Feb 09, 2021 1:52 pm
Airbags don't really do much if there's 20 feet of snow on top...
Exactly. They perform magnificently if you trigger mid-slope. Not so much if you're at the bottom of one. Their efficacy has been proven when used in the right scenario. Just another safety tool in the arsenal.
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