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Re: "near-dead" 14er hiker recovers

Posted: Thu Nov 19, 2020 8:45 am
by nunns
mtn_hound wrote: Wed Nov 18, 2020 4:31 pm
Nobody here said science has all the answers as far as I'm aware, nor that it is the only interpretation for anything and everything. It's actually not really an interpretation of anything, just one way of thinking and organizing information. There are certainly other ways to do that. Science can't even tell us what's true; what it is very good at is telling us what is not true. There's nothing wrong with identifying and calling things out that are demonstrably false, or in the case of the current discussion, which of two competing ideas has more evidence to support it. No good scientist would say intelligent design (or any other religious, spiritual, or other "non-scientific" idea) is false. What they would say is "show me the evidence that it's true". We're all free to believe whatever we want to believe, for whatever reasons we want to believe it.
I certainly agree with what you are saying, especially your first statement. But there are plenty of people out there IN THE SCIENCE COMMUNITY that would tell you that if science can't measure something then it doesn't really exist. The percentage of athiests in the elite levels of science is much, much higher than in the general community. That is not (necessarily) a condemnation, but just a statement of the way things are. A lot of elite scientists DO believe that science has all of the answers, or at least all of the answers that are available.

Sean Nunn

Re: "near-dead" 14er hiker recovers

Posted: Thu Nov 19, 2020 8:48 am
by cedica
nunns wrote: Thu Nov 19, 2020 8:03 am I read a book by two complete athiests who disagree with Darwinian evolution.
That must be because Darwin's views were formed while he was deeply religious man.

Re: "near-dead" 14er hiker recovers

Posted: Thu Nov 19, 2020 8:51 am
by Dave B
nunns wrote: Thu Nov 19, 2020 8:45 am I certainly agree with what you are saying, especially your first statement. But there are plenty of people out there IN THE SCIENCE COMMUNITY that would tell you that if science can't measure something then it doesn't really exist.
Wut?

I'm "in the science community" and have never, ever, heard anyone say anything even remotely suggestive of this.

Re: "near-dead" 14er hiker recovers

Posted: Thu Nov 19, 2020 8:51 am
by CaptCO
If ya'll don't contribute to conditions reports or hiking info, then keep the f***ing politics out of the forum. weird old men

Re: "near-dead" 14er hiker recovers

Posted: Thu Nov 19, 2020 9:00 am
by Dave B
CaptCO wrote: Thu Nov 19, 2020 8:51 am If ya'll don't contribute to conditions reports or hiking info, then keep the f***ing politics out of the forum. weird old men
Pipe down you antagonistic little turd.

Re: "near-dead" 14er hiker recovers

Posted: Thu Nov 19, 2020 9:00 am
by shelly+
Dave B wrote: Thu Nov 19, 2020 8:51 am
nunns wrote: Thu Nov 19, 2020 8:45 am I certainly agree with what you are saying, especially your first statement. But there are plenty of people out there IN THE SCIENCE COMMUNITY that would tell you that if science can't measure something then it doesn't really exist.
Wut?

I'm "in the science community" and have never, ever, heard anyone say anything even remotely suggestive of this.
i took it that you were arguing that measurement validates the truths of science (and if something exists) when you said this in our previous discussion on science:

"All natural science fields rely on either statistical correlations - linear or not - or process-based models that represent the underlying physics in a structured way. Randomness contributes to, but does not drive, processes and often times what we consider "random" is due to poor understanding of underlying driving factors, or an inability to measure them."

Re: "near-dead" 14er hiker recovers

Posted: Thu Nov 19, 2020 9:02 am
by CaptCO
Dave B wrote: Thu Nov 19, 2020 9:00 am
CaptCO wrote: Thu Nov 19, 2020 8:51 am If ya'll don't contribute to conditions reports or hiking info, then keep the f***ing politics out of the forum. weird old men
Pipe down you antagonistic little turd.
:twisted:

Re: "near-dead" 14er hiker recovers

Posted: Thu Nov 19, 2020 9:04 am
by shelly+
CaptCO wrote: Thu Nov 19, 2020 8:51 am If ya'll don't contribute to conditions reports or hiking info, then keep the f***ing politics out of the forum. weird old men
cause you've ALWAYS ONLY contributed hiking info and conditions reports, eh? and that's "yes, sir, Miss Shelly" to you. :)

Re: "near-dead" 14er hiker recovers

Posted: Thu Nov 19, 2020 9:06 am
by CaptCO
shelly+ wrote: Thu Nov 19, 2020 9:04 am
CaptCO wrote: Thu Nov 19, 2020 8:51 am If ya'll don't contribute to conditions reports or hiking info, then keep the f***ing politics out of the forum. weird old men
cause you've ALWAYS ONLY contributed hiking info and conditions reports, eh? and that's "yes, sir, Miss Shelly" to you. :)
I actually identify as a pencil nowadays

Re: "near-dead" 14er hiker recovers

Posted: Thu Nov 19, 2020 9:10 am
by Dave B
shelly+ wrote: Thu Nov 19, 2020 9:00 am
Dave B wrote: Thu Nov 19, 2020 8:51 am
nunns wrote: Thu Nov 19, 2020 8:45 am I certainly agree with what you are saying, especially your first statement. But there are plenty of people out there IN THE SCIENCE COMMUNITY that would tell you that if science can't measure something then it doesn't really exist.
Wut?

I'm "in the science community" and have never, ever, heard anyone say anything even remotely suggestive of this.
i took it that you were arguing that measurement validates the truths of science (and if something exists) when you said this in our previous discussion on science:

"All natural science fields rely on either statistical correlations - linear or not - or process-based models that represent the underlying physics in a structured way. Randomness contributes to, but does not drive, processes and often times what we consider "random" is due to poor understanding of underlying driving factors, or an inability to measure them."
Random != "doesn't exist"

Re: "near-dead" 14er hiker recovers

Posted: Thu Nov 19, 2020 9:39 am
by cedica
CaptCO wrote: Thu Nov 19, 2020 8:51 am If ya'll don't contribute to conditions reports or hiking info, then keep the f***ing politics out of the forum. weird old men
It was 27 degrees in central NJ this morning. I think I'm gunna wait till tomorrow to crush 35 miles hilly loop, first time in bib tights this fall. Wanna come?

Re: "near-dead" 14er hiker recovers

Posted: Thu Nov 19, 2020 9:40 am
by CaptCO
cedica wrote: Thu Nov 19, 2020 9:39 am
CaptCO wrote: Thu Nov 19, 2020 8:51 am If ya'll don't contribute to conditions reports or hiking info, then keep the f***ing politics out of the forum. weird old men
It was 27 degrees in central NJ this morning. I think I'm gunna wait till tomorrow to crush 35 miles hilly loop, first time in bib tights this fall. Wanna come?
My government told me I'm not allowed to travel or visit family for Thanksgiving. Sorry :(
Jerseys a shithole anyways