Glissading Accident Horn's Peak (Sangres)

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Re: Glissading Accident Horn's Peak (Sangres)

Post by CheapCigarMan » Tue May 05, 2020 10:52 am

Same thing happened on "Lackawanna" last month on the 25th. Same slope angle. Same depth. Only difference is thankfully, the skier that caused it didn't get hurt. When I saw it on my descent I was amazed at how much power and force these slides have. As what seemed to be such a small slide, only a few inches deep. Truly amazing and terrifying to think.
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Re: Glissading Accident Horn's Peak (Sangres)

Post by supranihilest » Tue May 05, 2020 11:05 am

CheapCigarMan wrote:
Tue May 05, 2020 10:52 am
Same thing happened on "Lackawanna" last month on the 25th. Same slope angle. Same depth. Only difference is thankfully, the skier that caused it didn't get hurt.
https://www.14ers.com/php14ers/peakstat ... cnum=15851
There are two commonalities between the report mentioned here, for "Lackawanna", and the accident on Horn:
  1. Warm, wet snow avalanches
  2. I am in the vicinity
Take from that what you will. :lol:
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Re: Glissading Accident Horn's Peak (Sangres)

Post by jmanner » Tue May 05, 2020 11:10 am

CaptCO wrote:
Tue May 05, 2020 7:52 am
Did they not read the avalanche risk assessment? I may be new but atleast I learn from my mistakes. Best wishes for a full recovery if seriously injured
Hang on, this guy has to get rescued off of Belford?! He’s now on here taking s**t about a rescue?
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Re: Glissading Accident Horn's Peak (Sangres)

Post by mtn_hound » Tue May 05, 2020 11:29 am

jmanner wrote:
Tue May 05, 2020 11:10 am
CaptCO wrote:
Tue May 05, 2020 7:52 am
Did they not read the avalanche risk assessment? I may be new but atleast I learn from my mistakes. Best wishes for a full recovery if seriously injured
Hang on, this guy has to get rescued off of Belford?! He’s now on here taking s**t about a rescue?
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Re: Glissading Accident Horn's Peak (Sangres)

Post by CheapCigarMan » Tue May 05, 2020 11:34 am

supranihilest wrote:
Tue May 05, 2020 11:05 am
CheapCigarMan wrote:
Tue May 05, 2020 10:52 am
Same thing happened on "Lackawanna" last month on the 25th. Same slope angle. Same depth. Only difference is thankfully, the skier that caused it didn't get hurt.
https://www.14ers.com/php14ers/peakstat ... cnum=15851
There are two commonalities between the report mentioned here, for "Lackawanna", and the accident on Horn:
  1. Warm, wet snow avalanches
  2. I am in the vicinity
Take from that what you will. :lol:
It wasn't as warm that day but it was warm which I think contributed to the slide.

Though, I did perceive that from you at the TH.
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Re: Glissading Accident Horn's Peak (Sangres)

Post by Ptglhs » Tue May 05, 2020 11:35 am

jmanner wrote:
Tue May 05, 2020 11:10 am
Hang on, this guy has to get rescued off of Belford?! He’s now on here taking s**t about a rescue?
He talked s**t about a guy who self rescued on shavano and lost his legs below the knees. Then he had to be rescued off of Bel/Ox and tried to downplay it as "I didn't need it but my friend's friend freaked out." Now he's talking s**t about someone who had an accident in the mountains and needed SAR. Did I miss anything?
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Re: Glissading Accident Horn's Peak (Sangres)

Post by ker0uac » Tue May 05, 2020 12:01 pm

Did this group live in Custer County? If not, when do we start criticizing them for breaking the law? In another recent thread "Boulder man is rescued by Brainard Lake", there were a lot of people berating that man.

I would never talk s**t about what happened up on the mountain, but I will criticize the decision of going there because despite completely disagreeing with these rules, I am respecting them though it's getting harder by the day when I see so many CRs being posted every weekend.
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Re: Glissading Accident Horn's Peak (Sangres)

Post by highpilgrim » Tue May 05, 2020 12:32 pm

Well, Ker0uac; I guess you got your answer about why you shouldn't just blah blah concerns about SAR folks and the risk they assume.

Now post away on your rationalizations about the dismissive attitude.
quaternion wrote:
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So question - why were so many different SAR teams needed? ... The person wasn't MIA, wasn't buried deep and it was wet snow. The person was injured and needed medevac, but I'd think that a chopper with 2-3 people could handle that.
It's a valid question, and rescue teams get it a lot: "Why are there so many of you here?" For this particular case, I would have *wanted* at least 30 rescuers in the field. At start up, it is possible that the rescuers had valid GPS coordinates of the patient, but more likely had a rough description; without knowing how accurate that description was, this (like most rescues) would begin as a search. Even with a good location description (and a helicopter en route) you need to plan for a ground evac to a road/TH. That looks like about 2000' down over 1.5 miles, cross country, to reach a trail, and then another 2.5 miles of trail carry. Carrying even a light adult, that is an immense amount of work (think about rotating out a crew of 6 litter bearers every hundred yards). Rescues are very labor intensive...and it would be irresponsible to send a helicopter (ATV, snowmobile) without a backup plan for mechanical failure. And on top of that, right now there are plenty of volunteer rescuers who are personally high risk for Covid or have a high risk family member, so teams may find themselves short handed compared to normal times. And in case a patient has Covid, no team wants to deploy all their members on a single call right now. Etc. You could do the rescue with fewer people, but it would be slower, and would put the rescuers at greater risk.

Hopefully that clarifies some...and thanks for caring enough to ask.
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Re: Glissading Accident Horn's Peak (Sangres)

Post by martinleroux » Tue May 05, 2020 12:45 pm

ker0uac wrote:
Tue May 05, 2020 12:01 pm
Did this group live in Custer County? If not, when do we start criticizing them for breaking the law?
"Breaking the law" would be an exaggeration. Unlike some other small counties, Custer County hasn't tried to prohibit non-residents from accessing "their" public lands. Colorado's latest public health order discourages recreational travel outside your own "community", but it's a somewhat vague guideline, not a strict prohibition.
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Re: Glissading Accident Horn's Peak (Sangres)

Post by CreekRunner » Tue May 05, 2020 1:04 pm

Eli Boardman wrote:
Tue May 05, 2020 9:48 am
I never would have guessed something like that would slide, very informative and good to know. It <looks> like the snow was only a few inches deep where it broke. Even when it did break, it's surprising to me that such a benign-looking starting zone could carry someone. I guess all it has to do is knock off your balance.

Anyway, definitely a good heads-up for those of us (particularly myself) who would have probably thought that slope was not a concern (yes I know the angle).
I'm in the same boat as you, Eli. Looking at the pictures, I would have thought the slope was pretty innocuous and similar to something I would see in summer; a small (albeit steep) channel of snow. Evidently the snow wasn't consolidated and resulted in a slide. It's definitely a lesson learned on how avalanches sizable enough to hurt you can break on any size slope.
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Re: Glissading Accident Horn's Peak (Sangres)

Post by ker0uac » Tue May 05, 2020 1:06 pm

highpilgrim wrote:
Tue May 05, 2020 12:32 pm
Well, Ker0uac; I guess you got your answer about why you shouldn't just blah blah concerns about SAR folks and the risk they assume.

Now post away on your rationalizations about the dismissive attitude.
I think you misunderstood my "blah blah". I didn't want to restate all the arguments that were brought up about SAR and Covid and was trying to be economical with my words. I apologize if it came off as being disrespectful.

While I disagree with those arguments and I will always voice my opinions, I am a teamplayer and I follow the rules, guidelines, laws, blah blah :)
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Re: Glissading Accident Horn's Peak (Sangres)

Post by stoopdude » Tue May 05, 2020 1:15 pm

CreekRunner wrote:
Tue May 05, 2020 1:04 pm
Eli Boardman wrote:
Tue May 05, 2020 9:48 am
I never would have guessed something like that would slide, very informative and good to know. It <looks> like the snow was only a few inches deep where it broke. Even when it did break, it's surprising to me that such a benign-looking starting zone could carry someone. I guess all it has to do is knock off your balance.

Anyway, definitely a good heads-up for those of us (particularly myself) who would have probably thought that slope was not a concern (yes I know the angle).
I'm in the same boat as you, Eli. Looking at the pictures, I would have thought the slope was pretty innocuous and similar to something I would see in summer; a small (albeit steep) channel of snow. Evidently the snow wasn't consolidated and resulted in a slide. It's definitely a lesson learned on how avalanches sizable enough to hurt you can break on any size slope.
It's easy to Monday morning quarterback on this forum so I'll just say it, I probably would've glissed that slope as well.
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