I assume the person signed a waiver so unless they can prove negligance it might be hard to win.Somewhat of a Prick wrote:That will be a hefty lawsuit
This is a terrible trajedy but it isn't clear anyone is at fault.
I assume the person signed a waiver so unless they can prove negligance it might be hard to win.Somewhat of a Prick wrote:That will be a hefty lawsuit
Have you read Lou Dawsons site visit report form the 2013 Loveland Pass Slide (https://www.wildsnow.com/9980/sheep-cre ... ite-visit/)? I feel he does a very good job respectfully addressing both the environmental and potential human factors that contributed to that incident. I don't have any information on Saturday's accident and don't want to start a speculation-based debate, but I'd caution comparing these two.zackrobinson2 wrote:This reminds me a bit of the 2013 Loveland Pass slide that killed six experienced people with extensive avy knowledge. While I do think advanced avalanche courses are a good idea for people who travel in avy terrain, it is undeniable that such courses also make people more confident and lead to them taking risks they would not have taken without such knowledge.
I do believe the CAIC forecast for that day was "considerable," which is statistically the most deadly forecast level.
Edit: I just did some research and saw that the 2013 Loveland Pass slide was also on a "considerable" day. To me, these are the sorts of conditions where advanced avy knowledge can put someone into a dangerous situation. Less experienced people are more likely to just stay home.
I have actually read it. There were significant lapses in judgment in the 2013 slide. When I first made the post here, I was confused about whether the incident occured on Saturday or Sunday, and the avy forecast was different on those two days. An above poster clarified that it was on Saturday, the forecast was moderate and the slope aspect was south. All of that adds up to, at least on paper, a pretty reasonable situation. So I agree, all of the big red flags from 2013 don't seem to be present here.kingshimmers wrote:Have you read Lou Dawsons site visit report form the 2013 Loveland Pass Slide (https://www.wildsnow.com/9980/sheep-cre ... ite-visit/)? I feel he does a very good job respectfully addressing both the environmental and potential human factors that contributed to that incident. I don't have any information on Saturday's accident and don't want to start a speculation-based debate, but I'd caution comparing these two.zackrobinson2 wrote:This reminds me a bit of the 2013 Loveland Pass slide that killed six experienced people with extensive avy knowledge. While I do think advanced avalanche courses are a good idea for people who travel in avy terrain, it is undeniable that such courses also make people more confident and lead to them taking risks they would not have taken without such knowledge.
I do believe the CAIC forecast for that day was "considerable," which is statistically the most deadly forecast level.
Edit: I just did some research and saw that the 2013 Loveland Pass slide was also on a "considerable" day. To me, these are the sorts of conditions where advanced avy knowledge can put someone into a dangerous situation. Less experienced people are more likely to just stay home.
My condolences to all involved in this accident.
Certain avy beacons now have an "Auto Revert to Send Mode" feature. If you're in Search mode trying to find your friend and a second avalanche hits you & burries you, the beacon switches to Send mode after x minutes of no movement. This way you won't be burried in the second avalanche with your beacon on Search mode and people unable to find you.peter303 wrote:Another article that sounds like it might have been based on the CAIC report:
https://coloradosun.com/2019/01/16/aval ... ll-report/
The article mentions two avalanches in quick succession, a situation I havent really thought about.
Sympathetic releases are not terribly rare. It's always good to keep it in mind...peter303 wrote:Another article that sounds like it might have been based on the CAIC report:
https://coloradosun.com/2019/01/16/aval ... ll-report/
The article mentions two avalanches in quick succession, a situation I havent really thought about.