supranihilest wrote: ↑Fri Apr 16, 2021 2:42 pm
Yes, I know who you are, we have spoken before. I have read every response in this thread, including yours. Your posts have been dripping with sarcasm and venom (knife sharpening, head chopping, snarky 50 Shades references, "sarcastic quotes", talking down to people, among other things), which doesn't sound like praying
nor worshipping/begging
to learn. They have all read, to me, like you're going out of your way to deliberately misunderstand "do your best to ski as continuous a line as possible from the summit" in an attempt to invalidate any guidelines Otina or anyone else might provide.
I am aware we have spoken.
I word things the way I do for a reason. This whole thing doesnt seem to be started with good intentions or in good faith, just as a way to call out someone on their TR. She has been oozing elitism all over the place, including the TR and this thread. Saying if you dont follow what I say, you cant get that icon or claim a ski descent. "This is the community that makes the rules, not some noob." Shes really looking for nice responses?
Are we talking about community rules? Or Otinas rules? There is one answer here I do know.
"Keep your list private if you don't want to follow the rules!" I'm not speaking for her, shes doing it herself. These are really encouraging words for noobs to the community.
The TR comment couldve been solved with a simple PM. PMing someone isn't worth her time however lets make a thread about it. She wanted to go even more public with it so here we are. The way I took the very first post, it came off with a nasty sour taste. What has followed has been severely lacking in her interpretation of the law. Why was this thread necessary? She wants to hold people accountable supposedly. The person who's "skied" two peaks.
She opensd herself up to Public commnt and input, so here we are.
She has been quite rude and curt to people who she doesn't deem even worthy of this discussion. Implying those not on her list of elites are all "younger generation this, younger generation that, who can't respect rules!" They need to be shown how the old timers do it. "Hikeneers have no room in this discussion of skiiers." Dismissing them entirely without question. Great way to make room for discussion. Thankfully I ski, so I have been allowed to continue in here eyes.
I'm not trying to deliberately misunderstand, but I also am not the only one here pointing out the glaring contradictions on her own standards. Why call people trolls for doing so? I'm legitimately trying to understand what the ski communities rules are. She posted a link to what she follows, so I read it through. Practice what you preach? If shes going to call people out on not following rules or doing things in the spirit of Dawson, she can certainly be asked a few questions too, and I did.
Can one count that they climbed to the exact summit of sunlight if they only touched it with a pole tip? Again with nuances, but they do matter here. Dawson explicitly says he climbs to the exact summit if he's going to count it as a ski descent. Exact summit, sounds to me pretty definitive. Otherwise its a no go. Even if he starts skiing a few ft down, he always goes to the exact summit no matter what. Or another attempt must be made. She did not attempt the final summit block, for safety reasons. She even claims in her TR she doesn't feel comfortable marking it as a ski descent, but with her interpretation of Dawson's rules, minus the summit part, she counted it for now. Doubtful she'll go back to climb that few extra ft, its a lot of painstaking work.
"I go back again and again ’till I get it right. To me this is a critical part of my standards"
"of course I climbed to the exact summit of every peak as that’s an important component of claiming a ski descent. In ski mountaineering tradition, one usually doesn’t say they skied a peak unless they climb it to the summit"
Hmm.
Atleast we are maybe making some progress 14 pages later.
if that's how you roll. Winter checkmark for an early April ascent... seems odd 
, but its your list. Checkmark for not even summiting... ughhh 
this trend just keeps getting worse (slippery slope, pun & all). Clearly no one is going to "police" anyone on this stuff but checkmarking a lie is about as realistic as saying I own that horse in a certain profile picture (I'm guessing you would take offence to this claim). By all means; have fun in the mountains & enjoy whatever your adventure entails. A fun adventure ≠ required summit check mark, or use of any internet program really. To be clear - marking these things is your choice & it doesn't make me mad (unless your trying to claim to be some sort of finisher or record holder). Honestly these types of things just make me laugh! Otina did a good job presenting the basic requirements (and yes there is some grey) of a summit descent. I've had many, many, many great days in the mountains with my friends & my board where we got to do a lot of riding. If I didn't drop from the summit (or the ski poles length) or the accepted starting point then I include just the tally of the peak & chalk the ride down as part of the fun time.
Sorry can't help it!