No one is going to agree on everything. There will always be serial contrarians. Always someone screaming FU I won’t do what you tell me! Is it a couple feet of grey area or is it a couple hundred feet?Scary_Canary wrote: ↑Fri Apr 16, 2021 6:13 amSee, stuff like this is honestly were things get seriously confusing. You "old timers" cant agree on anything, but the "younger gen" has to follow along without question. Lest there be consequences!bergsteigen wrote: ↑Wed Apr 14, 2021 3:10 pm Some finishers have only skied to a saddle and counted it. I don’t like it, but that’s grey area. On of my ski partners would not count anything that was side stepped and called me out for doing it for a few feet on Longs. We all have the levels to which we individually count things. I’m just trying to inform what those who’ve gone before me count as a ski descent.
Wheres the baseline of what is generally accepted practice? Do we ski it when its in, or when we force it to be?
"if I'm on a peak with bad coverage because it's too early in the year or a drought, and I have to connect snow patches that would otherwise touch each other, then I don't count it." But we can shovel up snow til it's in and make it count.
Based off what I've currently seen, I can put snow in my pack and take it to the summit with my skis, ski a few ft down, and BAM skiier icon earned. Only need to ski off the summit right?
Do we have to be held to Otina's standard of 1000ft of descent off the summit. Does the comunity as a whole, or do you alone get to decide when that becomes a requirement? Why I also inquired about side stepping down in the TR. Another grey area, does it count or no?
To you it does but your friend may call you out and say Longs must be redone without sidestepping in order to be a finisher. Who gets the final say?
FOLLOW THE RULES!...
However, "We all have the levels to which we individually count things." 10 pages later, and this whole thing could've been left with this single quote after your comment in the TR, and left at that.
Funny stuff.
If you take a photo of the ski route and you show a resort skier - hey look at the peak I skied! Would they a) laugh and say that’s not even remotely skiable, or b) say that’s cool! When taken on the overall, this is what all the grey area means: it was a peak that looks skiable to a reasonably informed audience. A patch of snow on the side of a hill will get laughed at. How exactly do you strictly define that into “rules”? You can’t.
So unfortunately there will never be strict criteria. It will be up to the skiers discretion. BUT if they end up skiing all the ranked 14ers and want to tell the community about it, there will be questions if you skied 100’ patch of snow on the side of a peak! Will my friend chide me of side stepping 3’? Sure. Will everyone else? Doubtful. Heck, I side stepped getting onto the East Wall at Abasin yesterday. There be sharks.
While I may have been inspired to write this post by 1 individual, there were many people that never knew that the skier icon actually had some meaning behind it. Where there’s 1, there’s a 100 more that “didn’t know”.