Im sorry haha, you wont take the opinions of an average hikeneer into this discussion, but lets bring a resort skiiers opinion of a picture, and call them reasonably informed. They dont even hike. I don't mean to sound like an ass, but no way will I assume they are reasonably informed just by means of slidey sticks.bergsteigen wrote: ↑Fri Apr 16, 2021 6:53 am
If you take a photo of the ski route and you show a resort skier - hey look at the peak I skied! Would they a) laugh and say that’s not even remotely skiable, or b) say that’s cool! When taken on the overall, this is what all the grey area means: it was a peak that looks skiable to a reasonably informed audience. A patch of snow on the side of a hill will get laughed at. How exactly do you strictly define that into “strict rules”? You can’t.
So unfortunately there will never be strict criteria. It will be up to the skiers discretion. BUT if they end up skiing all the ranked 14ers and want to tell the community about it, there will be questions if you skied 100’ patch of snow on the side of a peak! Will my friend chide me of side stepping 3’? Sure. Will everyone else? Doubtful
There will never be a strict criteria, that is very obvious!
However, my point is there doesnt seem to be a consensus amongst you guys even on what a base of "generally accepted" critera is; other than from the summit.
Even that is its own shade of grey. This is sounding like a certain novel? So, here we go.
" Of course I climbed to the exact summit of every peak as that’s an important component of claiming a ski descent. In ski mountaineering tradition, one usually doesn’t say they skied a peak unless they climb it to the summit" -Dawson. Touching it with a trekking pole counts too tho, scaredy skiiers, I know. 50 shades of Dawson's Grey.
"Perhaps what’s most important to me is qualifying my claims based on those who came before me" there was no way I was going to say I ‘skied’ *insert peak here* unless my style matched (or exceeded) the style of the other descents that came before me. 50 shades darker. Again, if someone has since skiied El D from the summit, it seems from there on, you should now have to wait for it to be in to ski it? Or can we downclimb slightly still? Since the 58 has been done, in the spirit of Dawson, sould that not be the new standard? Or do you just choose not to follow that part of his style for what ever reason? Sticking to the 54 instead. I'm only going of what I read. 50 shades freed. I'm just the young grasshopper here trying to learn from. Forgive me for the questions, but this is what this thread is about yeah? Clarification. I know I'm coming off a little hard here, for that I apologize. I feel that the more I dig the less I finding, the more were told theres no real hard rules. But we have to still abide by these vastly grey areas.
Everything seems to be a grey area here tho, even when its not. So why get so up in arms? It
Even trying to do things in the "spirit of Dawson's rules" but seemingly going directly against it is ok. Shoveling snow to the summit, because they were late to the show...snow.
Do you people in the "older generation" not see the gross contradictions in literally everything that has been said in this thread? But so hard pressed on making sure everyone is following in lock step with what you say.
But what do I know, I'm just part of this pesky younger generation trying to understand the weird, vague rules set forth. Foolish me. Ive only left this with more questions than answers.