Where did the monsoon go?

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cottonmountaineering wrote: Tue Aug 20, 2019 8:11 pm It is a farce to try and win over a conspiracy theorist. Most of them are religious nutjobs who refuse to believe that neither god nor humans are in control of the world because they cant accept the insecurity of the situation. They also refuse to believe and accept that they are, in fact, part of the problem.
cotton i absolutely cannot take any of your comments on conspiracy theorists seriously with dale gribble as your avatar :lol:
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Ptglhs wrote: Wed Aug 21, 2019 9:12 am What's even more fun than arguing with a global warming denier is arguing with a flat earther. Aethric wind, the ring of ice, and NASA conspiracies are all hysterical. Unlike global warming, which is human driven and fueling the next great die off of the planet, there's more amusement than harm in believing the earth is flat.
To be fair, because the Earth is flat, our climate system doesn't change like it would if it was actually a globe. That's what makes the debate against "Global Warming Advocates" so entertaining. Trying to base your assumption around the earth being a 3-dimensional object kind of takes the wind out of your sails before you even start.
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nunns wrote: Wed Aug 21, 2019 8:30 am Whichever side of the aisle you are on, you can't use data from a single year to bolster your claim. Colorado got a bunch a snow this winter, and now this summer isn't getting much rain at all. Both could be parts of larger trends, or they could be aberrations of data. You can't make a claim either way based on a single year. That would be like flipping a coin one time and drawing a conclusion from the result of the single flip.

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XterraRob wrote: Wed Aug 21, 2019 9:35 am
To be fair, because the Earth is flat, our climate system doesn't change like it would if it was actually a globe. That's what makes the debate against "Global Warming Advocates" so entertaining. Trying to base your assumption around the earth being a 3-dimensional object kind of takes the wind out of your sails before you even start.
Interestingly, half of the flat earthers I've talked to say they believe in anthropogenic climate change. The others were split amongst biblical dominion theory or a promise from god to Noah of no more floods, and yet more conspiracy theories. It's a big tent under that tin foil hat.
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I want to know why climate change deniers and other conspiracy theorists believe that scientists have some dark purpose... Every scientist I've ever met is really only interested in advancing their field of study. This country's level of scientific illiteracy terrifies me; if only scientists were better communicators. ](*,)
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Ptglhs wrote: Wed Aug 21, 2019 10:13 am
Interestingly, half of the flat earthers I've talked to say they believe in anthropogenic climate change.
it makes sense that these views are compatible to a flat earther. it doesn't take science to see that people are destroying natural balance. just look around. similarly, a flat earther doesn't need science to see that the earth is flat.
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skier25 wrote: Wed Aug 21, 2019 10:23 am I want to know why climate change deniers and other conspiracy theorists believe that scientists have some dark purpose... Every scientist I've ever met is really only interested in advancing their field of study. This country's level of scientific illiteracy terrifies me; if only scientists were better communicators. ](*,)
We're hardly unique. A majority-held viewpoint in many countries (yes, in the 21s century!) is that black magic and "jinn" are real. The Saudis have special police units to address witchcraft and sorcery. Yes, in the 21st century.

We may look back somewhat bemused at the hysteria of the Salem Witch Trials of 1692, but there's a lot of the planet that's still "living in 1692" in the sense that they're afraid enough of unseen and unproven supernatural forces that these mystical contrivances are considered a justifiable basis persecution and punishment of real human beings.

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nunns wrote: Wed Aug 21, 2019 8:30 am Whichever side of the aisle you are on, you can't use data from a single year to bolster your claim. Colorado got a bunch a snow this winter, and now this summer isn't getting much rain at all. Both could be parts of larger trends, or they could be aberrations of data. You can't make a claim either way based on a single year. That would be like flipping a coin one time and drawing a conclusion from the result of the single flip.

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sean, that isn't how arguing works. if "hottest month ever recorded" fits your narrative then by god you better use it. and if a stat doesn't fit your narrative, you just strawman or ad hominem them to death (see: "Spencer is an advisor to the Cornwall Alliance" or "Aren't tin foil hats super hot during the summer?"). you've been on the board long enough that you should know this by now.

on a somewhat related topic, i find it deliciously ironic that the people who rail loudest against the "science deniers" of agw are far more likely to deny the science of vaccinations. not that that disproves their argument (because that would, you know, be ad hominem), but i just can't help but chuckle when i think that on a venn diagram they would mostly overlap.
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brichardsson wrote: Wed Aug 21, 2019 12:34 pm
i find it deliciously ironic that the people who rail loudest against the "science deniers" of agw are far more likely to deny the science of vaccinations. not that that disproves their argument (because that would, you know, be ad hominem), but i just can't help but chuckle when i think that on a venn diagram they would mostly overlap.
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I find it ironic that people with sideburns are curling fanatics. Basically the same population. or something
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It's like everyone forgot how much it rained this spring... western slope just started getting blue bird days about a month ago...
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the earth is a pizza, global warming is caused by the pizza going into the oven, and the moon is made of delicious cheese which will be sprinkled all over us once we're done baking.
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