Sunlight Spire Poll

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Would it be nice to have Sunlight Spire be considered a 14'er?

Yes! It would be nice if one of the 14'ers required technical climbing, and make completion of the 14ers more meaningful!
72
24%
Yes, because if some list include North Maroon and El Diente, Sunlight should be included.
41
14%
No, because it would make climbing the 14'ers too hard for most people.
18
6%
No, because the 300 feet rule should be set in stone, and eliminates other peaks such as North Maroon and El Diente as well.
68
22%
I really don't care either way.
104
34%
 
Total votes: 303
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Re: Sunlight Spire Poll

Post by nunns » Mon Mar 08, 2021 12:10 pm

Monte Meals wrote:
Sun Mar 07, 2021 6:16 pm
Unless I'm mistaken,

Most listed 14ers have a recognized ski decent.

I'm looking forward to that first ski trip report :-D
Give Dr. Jon a chance OK?

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Re: Sunlight Spire Poll

Post by nunns » Mon Mar 08, 2021 12:19 pm

justiner wrote:
Sat Mar 06, 2021 11:54 am
jrs1965 wrote:
Fri Mar 05, 2021 5:32 pm
justiner wrote:
Fri Mar 05, 2021 10:21 am
He also went through the proper channels to do so - and did a 1 for 1 replacement and he drilled it in by hand!. There's absolutely nothing weird or controversial about it, it was a nice community gesture.
I'm hoping to maybe do the Spire this summer. Most likely as an aid climb. Do you have any beta on this bolt Justiner? I assume it's at the top for a rap?
Yeah, it's at the top anchor to rap off of. I wanna say there was a small, older bolt that was removed and a newer one put in its place. There's some fixed gear in there as well. I'm sure it's fine for rapping off of. As an aid climb, it would go totally clean. If you can get a list of the exact sizes you needed, I bet you could bring a very minimal kit with you, so you don't have to hump up a whole big wall kit. The crack looks really bomber, so you could probably aid solo it with a lot of confidence. Sorry I don't have those sizes. I'd be interested in doing the crack as a free climb, if we can do it sub-24 :lol: If it's IC grades, it's not out of the realm of mediocre climber abilities.
I claim no personal experience (way beyond me), but I do believe there is at least one trip report on here that has a list of the "pro" that was used to climb The Spire.

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Re: Sunlight Spire Poll

Post by Hiking_TheRockies » Mon Mar 08, 2021 12:28 pm

tbh, I think that it would be cool for the spire to be considered a 14er, but im sure a lot of people would avoid it, because it would not be a real 14er due to the 300-foot saddle rule.
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Re: Sunlight Spire Poll

Post by Scott P » Mon Mar 08, 2021 12:41 pm

CheapCigarMan wrote:
Sat Mar 06, 2021 9:55 am
To agree with a couple of other folks on here. The Spire is a high point / bump on a ridge. What makes the Spire be considered a 14'er or mountain, when there are so many other high points / bumps out there?
Back when this thread was started, Sunlight Spire's elevation was bumped up from 13,995 feet to 14,000 feet. It might be a bump on the ridge, but so are some other points (North Maroon, Conundrum, Cameron, and El Diente) that are sometimes counted as 14ers. It was the USGS change in elevation (NAVD88 vs. NGVS29) that brought up the question.
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Re: Sunlight Spire Poll

Post by Salient » Mon Mar 08, 2021 3:26 pm

Monte Meals wrote:
Sun Mar 07, 2021 6:16 pm
Unless I'm mistaken,

Most listed 14ers have a recognized ski decent.

I'm looking forward to that first ski trip report :-D
I think all 58 have one actually
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Re: Sunlight Spire Poll

Post by RestlessLegSyndrome » Sat Mar 13, 2021 10:48 am

With sunlight spire clocking in at exactly 14000’ currently, does anyone have an educated guess whether it will again fall below that mark with the new 2022 geoid?
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Re: Sunlight Spire Poll

Post by Boggy B » Sat Mar 13, 2021 9:35 pm

Ten years later, it still has the same official significance as "South Wilson," "East Crestone," etc. and less than "North Massive."
The poll seems to be missing an option.

Were it to somehow make the 14ers, this wouldn't increase the difficulty of completing the list any more than would humping a harness and ascenders into Chi Basin. But can you imagine the bottleneck of masses waiting to jug on up? Free ascents would become pretty rare--hard to concentrate with 100 people yelling for you to get out the way of the fixed lines.
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Re: Sunlight Spire Poll

Post by FireOnTheMountain » Fri Mar 19, 2021 8:56 am

Boggy B wrote:
Sat Mar 13, 2021 9:35 pm
But can you imagine the bottleneck of masses waiting to jug on up? Free ascents would become pretty rare--hard to concentrate with 100 people yelling for you to get out the way of the fixed lines.
Doesnt count unless you jam the thin hands, brah
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Re: Sunlight Spire Poll

Post by eskermo » Wed Apr 07, 2021 2:15 pm

DaveLanders wrote:
Sat Mar 06, 2021 9:16 pm
Sunlight Spire is not officially named. Names are on the USGS quads if they are official names determined by the US Board of Geographic Names. Since the current policy is to not give new names to unnamed peaks in wilderness areas, Sunlight Spire is unlikely to be officially named anytime soon. The recent naming of Fowler and Boskoff peaks is a rare exception to this policy
Absolutely, I was way off. It's on no USGS or USFS maps and a search here only returns Sunlight Pk https://geonames.usgs.gov/apex/f?p=138:1::::::

Now I am really curious as to Cigars question about wtf is the reason for choosing a random bump on a map as worthy of inclusion in the "Unofficial"/"Unranked"/"Subsummit" category over others?

My best guess now is that it's to keep dorks like myself busy while allowing others to laugh at those of us pontificating such inconsequential details :)
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