Too late for that, the line was drawn in 1922 when Brits "rode a (oxygen) tank and held a general's rank" on Everest.
Now we can choose to enjoy the show or not. Don't hate the player, hate the game.
Too late for that, the line was drawn in 1922 when Brits "rode a (oxygen) tank and held a general's rank" on Everest.
Wow, that link made me a bit confused and unhappy. It's possible that I stopped at a foresummit and didn't even realize it. I stopped where the ropes stopped, there were some foot steps beyond, going about 10 feet higher up the snow to the left, apparently right onto a cornice. Everyone else was celebrating here, and it matched the details of the true summit, from my pre-trip research. I figured that standing on a cornice unroped was a bad idea. Also, it was cloudy enough that I wouldn't even get a view to the south if I did.nsaladin wrote: ↑Tue Oct 29, 2019 3:07 pm And then there's this: https://explorersweb.com/2019/10/25/man ... ue-summit/
Yeah, right, because fixing the ropes on K2 is comparable to flying most of the way up a 14er. And Scott, you and I both know that neither of us is qualified to compare our own experience, "high altitude" or otherwise, to the 8000 meter range.
Also consider all the improvements in roads and trailheads between the 1960s and now. I'm sure there were a lot less paved highways and passes back then, and vehicles weren't traveling nearly as fast.Eli Boardman wrote: ↑Wed Oct 30, 2019 11:25 am I think a better analogy is this: compare the first 14er record, ostensibly set by McCarty in 1960 (52 days), to the modern attempts. The modern attempts have the benefit of extensive beta, modern ultra-running equipment and training, and full support for the runner. Some of the oldest 14er timed attempts probably didn't even have established trails on all of the peaks.
That was just an analogy rather than an apples to apples comparison.Eli Boardman wrote: ↑Wed Oct 30, 2019 11:25 amYeah, right, because fixing the ropes on K2 is comparable to flying most of the way up a 14er. And Scott, you and I both know that neither of us is qualified to compare our own experience, "high altitude" or otherwise, to the 8000 meter range.
A style is a convention. It's something a person chooses when there is no fundamental principle to follow. I totally understand where you're coming from. Maybe Nims just reduced the standard too many clicks at once for your sensibility?Scott P wrote: ↑Wed Oct 30, 2019 12:18 pmYou and some others are missing the point. The point I was making isn't that Nims somehow cheated or that the climbs were somehow a sub-par (Nims is great in my opinion), but that it's a different kind of record than the one broken.
I have mentioned many times that anyone should be able to choose their own style of climbing and that to me it doesn't matter how he climbed the peaks.
No, because Nims style was never against my "sensibility".Broken Knee wrote: ↑Wed Oct 30, 2019 6:31 pmMaybe Nims just reduced the standard too many clicks at once for your sensibility?