Angel Landing going to Permit Lottery System
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Angel Landing going to Permit Lottery System
The move to permits to climb/hike continues in Zion now too. It's nice people are getting out and seeing nature but we also have to protect our natural resources.
I do think a spike from COVID adding to the numbers.
https://www.nps.gov/zion/planyourvisit/ ... ermits.htm
I do think a spike from COVID adding to the numbers.
https://www.nps.gov/zion/planyourvisit/ ... ermits.htm
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Re: Angel Landing going to Permit Lottery System
It's unfortunate, but probably necessary. Zion was certainly much improved by keeping cars out of the canyon and requiring everyone to take the shuttle (or ride a bike , but apparently that wasn't enough. I'm glad I got to visit places like Angel's Landing, Yosemite, Grand Teton, and the 14ers before they were truly overwhelmed.
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Re: Angel Landing going to Permit Lottery System
i'm surprised it took this long. that is a hike that becomes much more dangerous with crowds.
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Re: Angel Landing going to Permit Lottery System
This. It's especially true since a lot of people on the route are people that shouldn't be there. Personally, I think they should just remove the cables like they did on other similar hikes in the park.timisimaginary wrote: ↑Tue Dec 07, 2021 9:03 am i'm surprised it took this long. that is a hike that becomes much more dangerous with crowds.
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Re: Angel Landing going to Permit Lottery System
Agreed.Scott P wrote: ↑Tue Dec 07, 2021 9:08 amThis. It's especially true since a lot of people on the route are people that shouldn't be there. Personally, I think they should just remove the cables like they did on other similar hikes in the park.timisimaginary wrote: ↑Tue Dec 07, 2021 9:03 am i'm surprised it took this long. that is a hike that becomes much more dangerous with crowds.
I always thought Angels landing was overrated compared to other hikes in the region, but I was glad that it drew a lot of the crowds (similar to how the 14ers draw the crowds away from better hikes in CO). In this sense, I'm selfishly disappointed to see permit systems put in place.
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Re: Angel Landing going to Permit Lottery System
i think the spike is mostly from TikTok and insta-reels.. people are JUST finding out there's some cool stuff out west.
more permits = less trash and decreased interest. where do i sign?
more permits = less trash and decreased interest. where do i sign?
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Sigh, now you got plan more.
When I last did Angels in 2019, it was half Chinese tourists, many who didnt know what a class 3 hike was like.
When I last did Angels in 2019, it was half Chinese tourists, many who didnt know what a class 3 hike was like.
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Re: Angel Landing going to Permit Lottery System
I visited Angel's Landing on Memorial Day this past year.
Permit the f*ck out of it.
Permit the f*ck out of it.
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I was there in early June of 2019 and it was almost all Chinese tourists. Going up and coming down the chained area the men were in shiny dress shoes and the women in heels. No way I was going up the chains I can’t believe they don’t have more fatalities. I longed for the first time I was there in April of 1997 when I didn’t meet a single person up or down.
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Re: Angel Landing going to Permit Lottery System
not to quibble, but yosemite got overrun years ago.stephakett wrote: ↑Tue Dec 07, 2021 10:04 am i think the spike is mostly from TikTok and insta-reels.. people are JUST finding out there's some cool stuff out west.
more permits = less trash and decreased interest. where do i sign?
otherwise yes i agree with pretty much everything else.
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Re: Angel Landing going to Permit Lottery System
Was up there in June of this year... Total sh^t show. The permit system over there is long over due IMO.
Side note: Up high in the chains area a NPS science dude pointed out a California Condor he was up there looking for. Guess it was a big deal and was pretty cool to see it. Right place at the right time!
Side note: Up high in the chains area a NPS science dude pointed out a California Condor he was up there looking for. Guess it was a big deal and was pretty cool to see it. Right place at the right time!
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Re: Angel Landing going to Permit Lottery System
Yes, I saw that condor on my 2019 hike. I guess it was waiting for easy Chinese food.coneydogron wrote: ↑Wed Dec 08, 2021 5:43 pm Side note: Up high in the chains area a NPS science dude pointed out a California Condor he was up there looking for. Guess it was a big deal and was pretty cool to see it. Right place at the right time!