In your opinion, what is the hardest 14er?

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Re: In your opinion, what is the hardest 14er?

Post by Jon Frohlich » Fri Mar 26, 2021 4:39 pm

Matt wrote:
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Well, the experts at Out There Colorado must have seen this thread. They have spoken at this link.

While I agree that Handies via American Basin is the easiest of all, they rate Sherman, Cameron, Bierstadt, and Bross as more difficult than Pikes.
Interesting...
Surely you meant "experts" in quotes right?

I know we all rely on Out There Colorado for definitive guidance on ....well....hopefully nothing.
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Re: In your opinion, what is the hardest 14er?

Post by k_fergie » Fri Mar 26, 2021 4:44 pm

Matt wrote:
Fri Mar 26, 2021 4:24 pm
Well, the experts at Out There Colorado must have seen this thread. They have spoken at this link.

While I agree that Handies via American Basin is the easiest of all, they rate Sherman, Cameron, Bierstadt, and Bross as more difficult than Pikes.
Interesting...
I can't see their list because I have blocked my browser from allowing that trash website into my life, Pikes is most definitely significantly more arduous than all of those others you listed. It was my finisher and I can say that I was surprised how tired and beat down I was by the end of it
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Re: In your opinion, what is the hardest 14er?

Post by CaptCO » Fri Mar 26, 2021 4:45 pm

I’m assuming because people say hiking from Devils Playground is a legitimate way to summit..?
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Re: In your opinion, what is the hardest 14er?

Post by CaptainSuburbia » Fri Mar 26, 2021 4:53 pm

Pikes is class 1 and the others are class 2.
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Re: In your opinion, what is the hardest 14er?

Post by hellmanm » Fri Mar 26, 2021 4:58 pm

CaptCO wrote:
Fri Mar 26, 2021 4:45 pm
I’m assuming because people say hiking from Devils Playground is a legitimate way to summit..?
I mean, it is legitimate. It's not impressive, but it's still legit. IMO (and I know this is subjective+controversial), if you touch the top (hand or foot), you've summited. I don't think it counts if you, say, skip the summit block on sunlight -- the last part is still mandatory. But if someone wants to drive up pikes/evans and walk for 10 seconds, it still technically counts.
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Re: In your opinion, what is the hardest 14er?

Post by Chicago Transplant » Fri Mar 26, 2021 5:02 pm

It seems they have several of the peaks as Class 2 like Sherman, Bierstadt and DeCaLiBron despite those having trails the whole way. I am guessing by their logic, Pikes is the hardest Class 1 and Sherman is the easiest Class 2? Only problem is there aren't really any truly class 2 14ers except for Culebra, the rest either have a trail the whole way, or have a trail until they change to class 3. :-D

Also, I think some of their pictures are a bit out of whack... Oxford is a lovely picture of Emerald, Iowa and Missouri taken from Belford, Missouri is of Harvard (possibly from Oxford?) and Crestone Peak is definitely of the Needle. Huron's pic appears to be LaPlata's south side from the hike of Huron and a few others are from obscure vantage points.
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Re: In your opinion, what is the hardest 14er?

Post by hellmanm » Fri Mar 26, 2021 5:04 pm

Chicago Transplant wrote:
Fri Mar 26, 2021 5:02 pm
Only problem is there aren't really any truly class 2 14ers except for Culebra, the rest either have a trail the whole way, or have a trail until they change to class 3. :-D
Summit pitch of Harvard?
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Post by Chicago Transplant » Fri Mar 26, 2021 5:08 pm

Anyway, back on topic...

If you go by single move, I would say Sunlight's summit block is the hardest single move. Given it's remoteness and length of approach, I would put it a little higher on the list of hardest than most. Maybe 3rd or 4th? Top 5 would be Capitol, Little Bear, Sunlight, Needle and Wilson for me. Agree with those who say Pyramid is not as hard as advertised, it was class 4 going up because it was harder to follow the easiest route, but our descent was class 3.
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Re: In your opinion, what is the hardest 14er?

Post by Chicago Transplant » Fri Mar 26, 2021 5:15 pm

hellmanm wrote:
Fri Mar 26, 2021 5:04 pm
Chicago Transplant wrote:
Fri Mar 26, 2021 5:02 pm
Only problem is there aren't really any truly class 2 14ers except for Culebra, the rest either have a trail the whole way, or have a trail until they change to class 3. :-D
Summit pitch of Harvard?
Yeah, I was being a little too general. Harvard (and a few others) where the trail fizzles out into rocks near the top would have a class 2 finish. I just feel most of the standard walk-up routes have a pretty solid CFI or well beaten climbers trail these day. Even some of the non-standard ones have surprised me how much more defined they have gotten the last few years.
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Re: In your opinion, what is the hardest 14er?

Post by CaptCO » Fri Mar 26, 2021 5:42 pm

hellmanm wrote:
Fri Mar 26, 2021 4:58 pm
CaptCO wrote:
Fri Mar 26, 2021 4:45 pm
I’m assuming because people say hiking from Devils Playground is a legitimate way to summit..?
I mean, it is legitimate. It's not impressive, but it's still legit. IMO (and I know this is subjective+controversial), if you touch the top (hand or foot), you've summited. I don't think it counts if you, say, skip the summit block on sunlight -- the last part is still mandatory. But if someone wants to drive up pikes/evans and walk for 10 seconds, it still technically counts.
You’ve got a point. I’m still in the harvard is class 2+ club. Has anyone noticed the benchmark on sunlight is below the summit blocks?
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Re: In your opinion, what is the hardest 14er?

Post by Mtnman200 » Fri Mar 26, 2021 6:43 pm

CaptCO wrote:
Fri Mar 26, 2021 5:42 pm
Has anyone noticed the benchmark on sunlight is below the summit blocks?
USGS doesn’t always put benchmarks on the high point of a summit.

BTW, the elevation on the Sayres Benchmark summit is off by 1000 feet, which is clearly a typo.
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Re: In your opinion, what is the hardest 14er?

Post by CaptCO » Fri Mar 26, 2021 6:49 pm

Mtnman200 wrote:
Fri Mar 26, 2021 6:43 pm
CaptCO wrote:
Fri Mar 26, 2021 5:42 pm
Has anyone noticed the benchmark on sunlight is below the summit blocks?
USGS doesn’t always put benchmarks on the high point of a summit.

BTW, the elevation on the Sayres Benchmark summit is off by 1000 feet, which is clearly a typo.
Thanks for clearing that up, I had no idea.
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