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Re: Supplements for Musculoskeletal Health?

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ker0uac wrote: Tue Mar 23, 2021 4:46 pm
shelly+ wrote: Tue Mar 23, 2021 4:42 pm magnesium 400mg/day.
I think I get enough of that from healthy foods and centrum
You don't, the soil is depleted and food has much less Mg than it used to. And the form of most minerals in a multi are not very bioavailable. You want mag glycinate.
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Glucosamine makes the eyesight worse, at least what I noticed
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I supplement with ankle, hip, and back mobility work. Motion is Lotion!
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If you think you're deficient in somethng, do it right and get a series of blood-based tests to check it out. You can use a commerical service (e.g. www.insidetracker.com, etc.) and they'll put your results in a series of fancy color-coded charts to show you exactly where you are on like 60 (?) different biomarkers. You can also track your results over time, each subsequent test is also added to your personal chart. But tthat's very pricey, about $400 for a full panel, although more targeted, less comprehensive test packages exist. My doc also said he could duplicate such results far, far cheaper. Same accuracy, just not the fancy commercial overlay.

Personally, if you're just looking at joint health, I'm with Justin. Eat a healthy diet for sure, but work on strength/flexibility, and resolve any structural issues with therapy (maybe some good orthotics?) I've never believed that supplements can target maladies all that effectively, e.g. "I have poor night vision, so I'll eat a lot of carrots."

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The placebo effect is powerful. As with lots of things, if we think it works or helps, it does! Correlation is not causation.

An interesting example happened to me this winter in AZ. Was out to dinner with my parents. My Mom absolutely hates vegetables....all kinds. At the restaurant we were at she ordered her meal of chicken and "potatoes". She did not read the menu clearly. She got her meal and raved about the "potatoes". She loved them...until I told her they were actually cauliflower! In an instant she was grossed out, outraged, and her opinion changed rather quickly. It was rather hilarious and telling of the power of our own minds and the power we give it.

I'm not saying supplements do or don't work, regardless of clinical studies or lack thereof. Again, if you think you feel better when you do this or this or that or take this or that, then keep taking it. I take ibuprofen...nothing more, ever. I eat well, get out and do stuff, my recent blood tests were where they need to be, and life goes on. I agree 100% with Justiner!
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justiner wrote: Wed Mar 24, 2021 12:16 am I supplement with ankle, hip, and back mobility work. Motion is Lotion!
I like this advice. I make sure not to skip leg day and squats and deadlifts have helped a lot. I notice my knees start hurting when I *don't* exercise them. And, squats don't have to be super heavy powerlifting moves either. You would notice a difference with just body weight or 'goblet squats' with dumbbells.
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I agree with all of you who mentioned healthy diet and exercise. It's a non-starter without them. But injuries, specially in this year of on-and-off weight training, can cause lasting, gradual damage. Give my dad who was very active and is now 70yo has replaced both knees and had surgery on one shoulder, I am pretty sure that will be in my future too. I already train and climb, go to PT some times and I don't lack any of the food groups in my diet, so trying to figure out if there's anything else I can do. I don't take any supplements beyond centrum, so I am wondering about them.
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habaceeba wrote: Wed Mar 24, 2021 8:54 am
I notice my knees start hurting when I *don't* exercise them.
Same here. I think last year's inertia plus running on hard ground finally caught up with my knees, but now I am getting back into my usual routines.
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TomPierce wrote: Wed Mar 24, 2021 7:41 am Personally, if you're just looking at joint health, I'm with Justin. Eat a healthy diet for sure, but work on strength/flexibility, and resolve any structural issues with therapy (maybe some good orthotics?) I've never believed that supplements can target maladies all that effectively, e.g. "I have poor night vision, so I'll eat a lot of carrots."
Right, every time I hear of a supplement, I look to see which foods are rich with it. For instance, omega-3 and iron. But glucosamine which seems to be the "most popular" for joint health can only be extracted from shell fish :-k .

Also, as brought up by Bean, unfortunately nowadays, even the "healthy" foods are poor of nutrients. I know I know, "buy organic and fresh". I do that too.
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I always find the anti-supplement sentiment interesting. People seem to have a visceral reaction to the idea that supplements might help, although they are happy and willing to habitually and unquestioningly take Vitamin I or acetaminophen. As Bean pointed out, most foods that are considered healthy lack nutrients because soils are depleted and chemical agriculture offsets or destroys their availability. If you only take a few supplements, and only spend the same amount of money on them as you would for, say, a coffee or beer, and even if they are only creating a placebo effect....what's the harm? And if you think they aren't working or are actually causing harm, you stop taking them. With no ill effects.
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I agree, usually taking a supplement isn't very harmful (except for your wallet!), and may prove beneficial. But you are better off getting nutrients from food instead. I think there's a lot to simply removing things that can be harmful for you as a way to improve health. Do I really think all that soda I drink is a good thing? Of course I don't. Do I still do it? Well yes. WILL I still do it after all these cavities I just got filled? Remains to be seen!

I don't know if plants are less nutritious then the were before b/c of farming practices now. That sounds plausible - but also I would think easy to test. My understanding was that the buildup of fertilizers in your body from farming practices was what was no bueno - although again: is that theory at this point, or fact? It's hard to separate these sometimes. Both issues could be true!

I do also agree that one should be really careful taking any NSAIDS, as their dangers are well known, even though it's pretty common and accepted to take them.

Anyways: work on mobility, eat well, stay away from drugs mmm'kay?, and supplement any holes. I do supplement myself. Mostly cod fish oil, sardines, and prebiotics.I got blood work done and Vitamin D was low. I took fairly high IU Vit. D pills afterwards, but I'm considering that just taking it from food may be better. Cod fish oil seems to be a winner for everything except my super belches.
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justiner wrote: Wed Mar 24, 2021 10:18 am I don't know if plants are less nutritious then the were before b/c of farming practices now. That sounds plausible - but also I would think easy to test.


This has been extensively researched and documented. I don't have particular sources but Michael Pollan discusses it in his work.


I should add.... I don't see it as an either/or question. Eat good food first. Supplement second. I only take specific supplements to target certain deficiencies. All the other garbage out there is a scam.
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