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Is this forum welcoming to new members?

Poll ended at Fri Feb 26, 2021 8:44 am

Yes
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No
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1%
 
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Re: Poll: Is this forum welcoming to new members?

Post by mtnkub » Tue Feb 23, 2021 9:18 am

ker0uac wrote:
Tue Feb 23, 2021 9:04 am
Humm interesting, I never met anyone working as a guide in CO and never saw anyone inconspicuously offering guide services here either.
Offering guide services here would be against the forum rules (and would thus likely backfire).
I have seen one guided party on North Maroon and two on Pyramid.
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Re: Poll: Is this forum welcoming to new members?

Post by CaptainSuburbia » Tue Feb 23, 2021 9:27 am

mtnkub wrote:
Tue Feb 23, 2021 9:18 am
ker0uac wrote:
Tue Feb 23, 2021 9:04 am
Humm interesting, I never met anyone working as a guide in CO and never saw anyone inconspicuously offering guide services here either.
Offering guide services here would be against the forum rules (and would thus likely backfire).
I have seen one guided party on North Maroon and two on Pyramid.
I saw a guide taking a party up Pyramid on rope.
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Re: Poll: Is this forum welcoming to new members?

Post by Chicago Transplant » Tue Feb 23, 2021 9:33 am

The ones I know of are more bigger commercial companies and have a variety of offerings including various guided options or classes like AAIRE avy trainings. I haven't used any of them, my AAIRE 1 was through the community college, but they advertise a lot locally. Seems the jeep and snowmobile tours are the most popular with tourists, not sure how many guided hikes they really do?
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Re: Poll: Is this forum welcoming to new members?

Post by Monster5 » Tue Feb 23, 2021 9:40 am

Unofficial guiding actually does happen often on this forum. I know a few respected members who accompany people up 14ers for money, if not roping up with them. So long as they don't misrepresent themselves or their capabilities (medical, ropework, etc.), it's not a big deal.

I rarely see commercial guides on 14ers though - sometimes Elks, SJs, and Longs.
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Re: Poll: Is this forum welcoming to new members?

Post by daway8 » Tue Feb 23, 2021 9:53 am

I've encountered guides a few times on 14ers - typically it's a case where someone is uncomfortable on exposed terrain and wants an experienced person to help them rope up for safety.

Don't think I've ever knowingly spotted a guide on a peak like Bierstadt but you wouldn't necessarily know it by looking since the guides I've encountered just appeared to be some other person hiking with a buddy. Only found out one was a guide by striking up a conversation.

I think this kind of thing is where the forum sometimes goes astray - many folks on here are so experienced and comfortable on anything that the 14ers have to offer that there's a tendency at times to basically mock anyone who would feel the need for a guide (not saying that's happened here, just see that attitude pop up now and then). That kind of thing makes the forum less welcoming at times.

Everyone has different backgrounds, experience, comfort levels, etc. I think it's great that someone intimated enough by the mountains some of us see as trivial would take the initiative to hook up with a guide to tackle what they're not comfortable doing alone.
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Re: Poll: Is this forum welcoming to new members?

Post by ker0uac » Tue Feb 23, 2021 10:05 am

Chicago Transplant wrote:
Tue Feb 23, 2021 9:33 am
The ones I know of are more bigger commercial companies and have a variety of offerings including various guided options or classes like AAIRE avy trainings. I haven't used any of them, my AAIRE 1 was through the community college, but they advertise a lot locally. Seems the jeep and snowmobile tours are the most popular with tourists, not sure how many guided hikes they really do?
I know of a lot of outfitters in WA, like the AAI and RMI, but not in CO, which is surprising to me as the mountaineering culture in CO is much greater than the one in WA. Even in NE, I know of EMS running lots of trips in the White Mountains such as winter ascents of Mt Washington. It seems like a missed business opportunity. Or maybe I am just clueless.
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Re: Poll: Is this forum welcoming to new members?

Post by ker0uac » Tue Feb 23, 2021 10:13 am

daway8 wrote:
Tue Feb 23, 2021 9:53 am
There's a tendency at times to basically mock anyone who would feel the need for a guide (not saying that's happened here, just see that attitude pop up now and then).
There sure is, but it's hypocritical, coz I know a lot of people here had more experienced friends take them up the class 3+ peaks to finish the list. If there was a rule that to claim credit you had to climb solo, most finishers would lose their plaque. I have never hired a guide in the US, but I had a guide on all of my international climbs.

Also, this tendency hurts the business of guiding, so if you have a guide friend, maybe you should encourage others to hire a guide?
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Re: Poll: Is this forum welcoming to new members?

Post by Salient » Wed Feb 24, 2021 10:07 am

Considering I just joined, I really hope it is welcoming to new members.
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Re: Poll: Is this forum welcoming to new members?

Post by d_baker » Wed Feb 24, 2021 10:09 am

Salient wrote:
Wed Feb 24, 2021 10:07 am
Considering I just joined, I really hope it is welcoming to new members.
Welcome to the forum Salient!
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Re: Poll: Is this forum welcoming to new members?

Post by Salient » Wed Feb 24, 2021 10:23 am

d_baker wrote:
Wed Feb 24, 2021 10:09 am
Salient wrote:
Wed Feb 24, 2021 10:07 am
Considering I just joined, I really hope it is welcoming to new members.
Welcome to the forum Salient!
Proceed to the thread looking for summer partners to get a taste of things! Hahaha
I've been lurking on the website for about a week and have seen a lot of how people act in various threads. So, yeah I get what you mean there.
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Re: Poll: Is this forum welcoming to new members?

Post by jibler » Wed Feb 24, 2021 4:36 pm

If you know phish message boards - you will get his comparison......


I wish 14ers was the phish.net of mountaineering but seems to be the phantasytour instead.

which means much higher levels of unrestrained sarcasm and subtle hostility. which once you know a life with those at a minimum - it is tough to accept anything else.
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Re: Poll: Is this forum welcoming to new members?

Post by mtn_hound » Wed Feb 24, 2021 8:30 pm

jibler wrote:
Wed Feb 24, 2021 4:36 pm
If you know phish message boards - you will get his comparison......


I wish 14ers was the phish.net of mountaineering but seems to be the phantasytour instead.

which means much higher levels of unrestrained sarcasm and subtle hostility. which once you know a life with those at a minimum - it is tough to accept anything else.
Sometimes after I climb a 14er I'm as smelly as a phish tour. Does that count?
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