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Re: Camping now illegal in much of Utah

Post by Ptglhs » Tue Mar 24, 2020 11:06 am

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Tue Mar 24, 2020 10:23 am
Maybe there is more to this than I know, but as a health care worker I would say this to Ptglhs - If what you have been posting is truly how you feel I would beg you to seek professional help. This is no joke and counseling can have major benefits, even save lives. The help you need will not be found on message boards or most places on the internet. Worried about going out right now? - this would be considered a perfectly valid reason to do that.
Therapy isn't free, Medicaid coverage is spotty for mental health, and, most importantly, it doesn't improve things. The anti-suicide number which Bean posted cares about keeping people alive long enough for them to die from something else rather than actually improving someone's life. Saving lives which aren't worth living is a fool's errand. Therapy isn't needed in the same way a career and a family are. When people exhort someone to seek help it's a means of saying "go bother someone else," "go be someone else's problem." I would rather find/be found by a kind and helpful traveler on the way to Jericho -preferably one who works in HR or recruitment- than have a bunch of strangers tell me 'sucks to be you. Go hire a professional Samaritan who will pretend to care so you quit bitching here.'
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Re: Camping now illegal in much of Utah

Post by ker0uac » Tue Mar 24, 2020 12:08 pm

Ptglhs wrote:
Tue Mar 24, 2020 11:06 am
douglas wrote:
Tue Mar 24, 2020 10:23 am
Maybe there is more to this than I know, but as a health care worker I would say this to Ptglhs - If what you have been posting is truly how you feel I would beg you to seek professional help. This is no joke and counseling can have major benefits, even save lives. The help you need will not be found on message boards or most places on the internet. Worried about going out right now? - this would be considered a perfectly valid reason to do that.
Therapy isn't free, Medicaid coverage is spotty for mental health, and, most importantly, it doesn't improve things. The anti-suicide number which Bean posted cares about keeping people alive long enough for them to die from something else rather than actually improving someone's life. Saving lives which aren't worth living is a fool's errand. Therapy isn't needed in the same way a career and a family are. When people exhort someone to seek help it's a means of saying "go bother someone else," "go be someone else's problem." I would rather find/be found by a kind and helpful traveler on the way to Jericho -preferably one who works in HR or recruitment- than have a bunch of strangers tell me 'sucks to be you. Go hire a professional Samaritan who will pretend to care so you quit bitching here.'
It feels to me that you are bitching about losing your job or income. That sucks big time. We are so used to leaving people behind that the country is more focused on masks and stock market and the couple of thousand people in the hospitals, but totally oblivious to the millions who are without income and cant pay rent or the others million retirees whose 401k were obliterated. But you lose my respect when you equate your worth to having a career. There are people in other parts of the world in real permanent struggle, and they are not talking about suicide.
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Re: Camping now illegal in much of Utah

Post by shelly+ » Tue Mar 24, 2020 12:24 pm

ker0uac wrote:
Tue Mar 24, 2020 12:08 pm


It feels to me that you are bitching about losing your job or income. That sucks big time. We are so used to leaving people behind that the country is more focused on masks and stock market and the couple of thousand people in the hospitals, but totally oblivious to the millions who are without income and cant pay rent or the others million retirees whose 401k were obliterated. But you lose my respect when you equate your worth to having a career. There are people in other parts of the world in real permanent struggle, and they are not talking about suicide.
everything you say here is valid.... but, yes, our society equates worth with having a career. people can be extremely judgmental when you explain to them that you have an college education and you don't have a career path. just ask any long-term, stay-at-home mom how people respond when they ask what she does for a living.
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Re: Camping now illegal in much of Utah

Post by ker0uac » Tue Mar 24, 2020 12:43 pm

shelly+ wrote:
Tue Mar 24, 2020 12:24 pm
everything you say here is valid.... but, yes, our society equates worth with having a career. people can be extremely judgmental when you explain to them that you have an college education and you don't have a career path. just ask any long-term, stay-at-home mom how people respond when they ask what she does for a living.
Right... and to some people with mental health issues, coping with unexpected stress can be very taxing, and at a bare minimum they deserve our compassion if we can't do more for them... but to others who are talking about their lives not being worth living anymore, I say GROW THE F*K UP... if you don't like society, then quit society, lots of land in SD or MT for one to be an outcast, I plan on being one in 10-15years
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Re: Camping now illegal in much of Utah

Post by 12ersRule » Tue Mar 24, 2020 12:47 pm

^ or if you're feeling pretty low and down on yourself, try to help someone else. That could help raise your spirits.
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Re: Camping now illegal in much of Utah

Post by shelly+ » Tue Mar 24, 2020 12:52 pm

ker0uac wrote:
Tue Mar 24, 2020 12:43 pm
if you don't like society, then quit society, lots of land in SD or MT for one to be an outcast, I plan on being one in 10-15years
agreed. and luckily for me, it can also be done in a small-ish large-ish city-town in new mexico. :)
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Re: Camping now illegal in much of Utah

Post by SurfNTurf » Tue Mar 24, 2020 3:19 pm

I leaned heavily on therapy to work through addiction and abandonment issues, and I'm a firm believer. I still go twice a month just to stay tuned up. I had similar views about therapy to you, Ptglhs, before committing to recovery and finding a good counselor. Investing in my mental health literally saved my life. If you're looking for help, there's no better place to turn. But you have to be open to it. Admittedly, I have health insurance and a $30 copay, which is a privilege that's not shared by all.

Some of the most helpful therapy I received, however, was through free support groups. They exist for almost anything, including those dealing with job loss, anxiety, depression, or suicidal thoughts. Many of them are online based (and even more are now). There's no up-front cost except showing up. The power of community, of knowing you're not alone, is unquantifiable. I strongly suggest a Google search related to whatever you're going through. Or, since I don't want to simply pass you off, my PMs are always open to you (or anyone) who wants to talk further.
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Re: Camping now illegal in much of Utah

Post by Ptglhs » Tue Mar 24, 2020 8:11 pm

Interesting to see how this devolved in the six and a half hours I was out hiking North Star Mountain. I'm not talking about suicide. For some reason other people are. I'm just vengefully gleefully that horrible things are happening to lots of people right now, since the world hasn't shown much compassion to me. Believe it or not I'm a really compassionate person in person. Decades of continuing to fail and getting treated like s*** is definitely leaching the sweetness out of me.

In other news the Cristo couloir on quandary's south side looks in for skiing.
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Re: Camping now illegal in much of Utah

Post by madbuck » Tue Mar 24, 2020 10:10 pm

Ptglhs wrote:
Tue Mar 24, 2020 8:11 pm
Interesting to see how this devolved in the six and a half hours I was out hiking North Star Mountain. I'm not talking about suicide. For some reason other people are. I'm just vengefully gleefully that horrible things are happening to lots of people right now, since the world hasn't shown much compassion to me.
FWIW, I'm upset (and not alone, here) that horrible things are happening to random people, including you.
I'm glad you had a nice hike today! That's a beautiful place. As a whole, not many people, frankly, get a chance (or take the chance) to go places like that, although it's often hard for us to see that from this perspective.
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Re: Camping now illegal in much of Utah

Post by teamdonkey » Tue Mar 24, 2020 11:55 pm

Ptglhs wrote:
Tue Mar 24, 2020 8:11 pm
Believe it or not I'm a really compassionate person in person
I'm going with not
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Re: Camping now illegal in much of Utah

Post by rijaca » Wed Mar 25, 2020 10:51 am

Ptglhs wrote:
Tue Mar 24, 2020 8:11 pm
Interesting to see how this devolved in the six and a half hours I was out hiking North Star Mountain. I'm not talking about suicide. For some reason other people are. I'm just vengefully gleefully that horrible things are happening to lots of people right now, since the world hasn't shown much compassion to me. Believe it or not I'm a really compassionate person in person. Decades of continuing to fail and getting treated like s*** is definitely leaching the sweetness out of me.

In other news the Cristo couloir on quandary's south side looks in for skiing.
BS. You're not compassionate in the least. Wishing other peeps harm and getting joy in others' suffering is just plain wrong!

I sincerely hope that you get some help. Otherwise, you're just a dickhead.
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Re: Camping now illegal in much of Utah

Post by greenonion » Wed Mar 25, 2020 12:44 pm

rijaca wrote:
Wed Mar 25, 2020 10:51 am
Ptglhs wrote:
Tue Mar 24, 2020 8:11 pm
Interesting to see how this devolved in the six and a half hours I was out hiking North Star Mountain. I'm not talking about suicide. For some reason other people are. I'm just vengefully gleefully that horrible things are happening to lots of people right now, since the world hasn't shown much compassion to me. Believe it or not I'm a really compassionate person in person. Decades of continuing to fail and getting treated like s*** is definitely leaching the sweetness out of me.

In other news the Cristo couloir on quandary's south side looks in for skiing.
BS. You're not compassionate in the least. Wishing other peeps harm and getting joy in others' suffering is just plain wrong!

I sincerely hope that you get some help. Otherwise, you're just a dickhead.
But thanks, Ptglhs, for posting the conditions info on Quandary from North Star. Appreciated by folks I'm sure!
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