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Re: Camping now illegal in much of Utah

Post by Alpine Guy » Mon Mar 23, 2020 6:49 pm

Yeah the maps you see are not showing proliferation of the virus, they are maps showing proliferation of test kits. And as test kit production ramps up, the number of positives will probably go dramatically.

https://www.nytimes.com/interactive/202 ... cases.html
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Re: Camping now illegal in much of Utah

Post by highpilgrim » Mon Mar 23, 2020 7:24 pm

Ptglhs wrote:
Mon Mar 23, 2020 7:04 pm

It doesn't like nearly as many people are going to die of this as I had hoped. That's a shame. Also ebbing in China which is a real shame.
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Re: Camping now illegal in much of Utah

Post by Wentzl » Mon Mar 23, 2020 7:51 pm

highpilgrim wrote:
Mon Mar 23, 2020 7:24 pm
Ptglhs wrote:
Mon Mar 23, 2020 7:04 pm

It doesn't like nearly as many people are going to die of this as I had hoped. That's a shame. Also ebbing in China which is a real shame.
That’s fucked up. You need help bro.
Yeah, I was looking more to inspire thoughts like: "Yeah, it looks like this really might not be so devastating as they say." as opposed to; "darn it, the party is over before it even started"

I guess there has to be room for both.

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Re: Camping now illegal in much of Utah

Post by Ptglhs » Mon Mar 23, 2020 8:03 pm

highpilgrim wrote:
Mon Mar 23, 2020 7:24 pm
That’s fucked up. You need help bro.
I completely agree with you and have been asking for help and a chance for quite some time. Since those aren't forthcoming I just get to stand back and hope the society which has rejected me burns to ashes. Misery loves company.
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Re: Camping now illegal in much of Utah

Post by Bean » Mon Mar 23, 2020 8:43 pm

Ptglhs wrote:
Mon Mar 23, 2020 8:03 pm
I completely agree with you and have been asking for help and a chance for quite some time. Since those aren't forthcoming I just get to stand back and hope the society which has rejected me burns to ashes. Misery loves company.
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Post by DArcyS » Mon Mar 23, 2020 10:00 pm

timisimaginary wrote:
Sun Mar 22, 2020 10:37 pm
DArcyS wrote:
Fri Mar 20, 2020 11:24 pm
This was interesting...
https://www.nytimes.com/2020/03/20/opin ... comes.html
the nytimes article is really good, and describes precisely how early widespread testing enabled South Korea to get on the other side of the curve. we're too late here to contain it like they did, which is why, if we all self-isolate now until the testing ramps up to the proper level, it will take us 2-3 months instead of the 2-3 weeks it took S. Korea

asymptomatic spread is why more and more states are enforcing lockdowns, because without knowing who has it, the only way to slow spread is by isolating people as much as possible. after 2 weeks of lockdown, most of those asymptomatic infectees will no longer be contagious. of course, no lockdown can be 100%, but it can still reduce spread rate. if you slow it down until widespread testing becomes available, then you can identify more asymptomatic infectees through contact tracing, which is how S. Korea succeeded, but because there are already so many undiagnosed cases walking around here, it will just take a lot longer.
highpilgrim wrote:
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Fri Mar 20, 2020 11:24 pm
since there's evidence that the virus can be spread asymptomatically, perhaps the lack of testing wouldn't have had much of an effect
No, that's not true. The point of testing is to identify as many of the affected as possible, to learn who they came in contact with, and to isolate them so they can't continue to spread the disease. All this, only to SLOW the spread so the hospitals and staff can keep up. To give industry a chance to get online with more mask production, ventilators, etc.

A lot of peeps are going to get this, most will be little affected. MId fifties up, not so much.

South Korea is testing 10K a day and have been from the outset. Their curve is already flattening. Too bad we refused the test kits the WHO offered. They weren't made in the USA. Good call. :roll:
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I gave this some thought, and I don't see your point. But oh well, to each their own.
Another member sent me this YouTube vid that provides a good overview.

Okay, guys, I see your point. timisimaginary, you're referencing my New York Times' link and say it "describes precisely how early widespread testing enabled South Korea to get on the other side of the curve." Actually, the article below does a much better job, and perhaps you confused my article with this one.

https://www.nytimes.com/2020/03/22/heal ... ns-us.html

After reading the article, I come away thinking that testing is one component of a comprehensive strategy to flatten the curve as both of you suggest.

Nonetheless, there's an issue as to whether all of the measures taken in South Korea could be implemented in Western countries (as acknowledged by the article). Further, I wonder if the strategy employed in South Korea would work in the US because: 1) South Korea is the size of Indiana, so it's probably easier to confine citizens to certain areas; and 2) culturally speaking, maybe there's a difference between South Koreans and Americans and a willingness to engage in social engineering. Just something I wondered about...

So, anyways, stay healthy, guys. :)
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Re: Camping now illegal in much of Utah

Post by Teresa Gergen » Tue Mar 24, 2020 8:22 am

Back to something in line with the actual thread topic, from the eastern Sierra in CA:

3/20/20 - INYO SHERIFF AND SAR: Do Not Take Part in High-risk Outdoor Activity in Inyo County

INYO COUNTY, CA -- The Inyo County Sheriff's Office, on behalf of Inyo County Search and Rescue (SAR), requests that people do not take part in high risk outdoor activities at this time.

Activities include backpacking, climbing, peak bagging, backcountry skiing, or anything that puts you at risk for potential rescue. If you get sick, lost or injured and require SAR assistance, the responding team of volunteers will have to break social distancing and State mandated isolation by sharing rescue equipment, radios, and vehicles. You will be potentially taking those rescuers out of service for weeks due to post-mission quarantine protocols.

In addition, many SAR teams, including ours, are operating at a diminished capacity due to many members self-isolating and not responding to operations due to age or other risk factors. Your preventable backcountry injury will also stress ambulance and emergency room services.

It is highly unlikely helicopters are available to assist in your rescue.

Inyo County Sheriff's Office DOES NOT own or operate any air assets, and our allied agency helicopters are currently operating at a very limited capacity. The public can access the complete Inyo County Order, issued March 20, 2020 at: https://www.inyocounty.us/sites/default ... 0.20_0.pdf. Please visit http://inyosar.com for additional information about the Inyo SAR team, or to donate.

https://www.inyocounty.us/covid-19/press-releases
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Re: Camping now illegal in much of Utah

Post by swampthing » Tue Mar 24, 2020 8:50 am

Teresa Gergen wrote:
Tue Mar 24, 2020 8:22 am

In addition, many SAR teams, including ours, are operating at a diminished capacity due to many members self-isolating and not responding to operations due to age or other risk factors. Your preventable backcountry injury will also stress ambulance and emergency room services.
Exactly! Thank you for sharing this.
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Post by Teresa Gergen » Tue Mar 24, 2020 8:53 am

And, back to my earlier post, about how to interpret driving being allowed for exercise in the Bay Area closure, they've made it pretty clear here (although the situation may have changed since I posted before):

https://www.smchealth.org/post/health-o ... statements

"As for outdoor exercise, people certainly need to get out, but do this in your own immediate neighborhoods. Do not drive except to provide or obtain an essential service. Do not go into other neighborhoods for recreation."

CA didn't want to close their state parks to recreation - but they just started closing the parking lots to prevent people from driving to them.
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Re: Camping now illegal in much of Utah

Post by LURE » Tue Mar 24, 2020 9:29 am

Ptglhs wrote:
Mon Mar 23, 2020 8:03 pm
highpilgrim wrote:
Mon Mar 23, 2020 7:24 pm
That’s fucked up. You need help bro.
I completely agree with you and have been asking for help and a chance for quite some time. Since those aren't forthcoming I just get to stand back and hope the society which has rejected me burns to ashes. Misery loves company.
sometimes when society rejects you, maybe you should look in the mirror and ask, why is society rejecting me?

your posts on this board have always indicated these things to me, for quite some time

that said, please, legitimately, ask for help, here or anywhere else if you looking down a tunnel and aren't seeing any light. we're not actually savages, it's just fun to be an a**hole online

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Re: Camping now illegal in much of Utah

Post by ker0uac » Tue Mar 24, 2020 9:43 am

Alpine Guy wrote:
Mon Mar 23, 2020 6:49 pm
Yeah the maps you see are not showing proliferation of the virus, they are maps showing proliferation of test kits. And as test kit production ramps up, the number of positives will probably go dramatically.

https://www.nytimes.com/interactive/202 ... cases.html
with more widespread testing the number of positives will go up dramatically, so if you are right, that means the anecdotal mortality rates will go down dramatically?
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Re: Camping now illegal in much of Utah

Post by douglas » Tue Mar 24, 2020 10:23 am

Ptglhs wrote:
Mon Mar 23, 2020 8:03 pm
highpilgrim wrote:
Mon Mar 23, 2020 7:24 pm
That’s fucked up. You need help bro.
I completely agree with you and have been asking for help and a chance for quite some time. Since those aren't forthcoming I just get to stand back and hope the society which has rejected me burns to ashes. Misery loves company.
Maybe there is more to this than I know, but as a health care worker I would say this to Ptglhs - If what you have been posting is truly how you feel I would beg you to seek professional help. This is no joke and counseling can have major benefits, even save lives. The help you need will not be found on message boards or most places on the internet. Worried about going out right now? - this would be considered a perfectly valid reason to do that.
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