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Should wolves be reintroduced into the mountains in Colorado?

Yes
128
51%
No
101
41%
Undecided
20
8%
 
Total votes: 249
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Ballot for Reintroduction of Wolves

Post by Wentzl » Thu Nov 07, 2019 5:10 pm

I am guessing that most users here know that there are currently petitions being circulated to put a ballot initiative into the 2020 election that would start a program to reintroduce wolves in Colorado. Here is a short article discussing the topic.

https://www.krcc.org/post/wolf-reintrod ... k-colorado

I am inclined to think this is a bad idea, but haven't made my mind up yet.

My reason for leaning against the idea is selfish. I don't want to confront a wolf pack in the wild.

I left the poll responses just bare bones, hoping folks will elaborate a bit more for the reasons behind the response.
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Re: Ballot for Reintroduction of Wolves

Post by XterraRob » Thu Nov 07, 2019 5:22 pm

Grizzly Bears and Wolves need to be reintroduced into the wild to help cull the Californian immigrant population.
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Re: Ballot for Reintroduction of Wolves

Post by Cide » Thu Nov 07, 2019 5:33 pm

I just haven't read reasoning on why reintroduction would be such a huge boon/detraction to the state other than "deer control" and "this was their land" and I haven't read anything else besides "rancher's livelihoods are at risk" and "deer control too far". Looking for more possible outcomes and reasons myself.
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Re: Ballot for Reintroduction of Wolves

Post by Iguru » Thu Nov 07, 2019 5:45 pm

I would be more concerned about a mountain lion attacking me than a pack of wolves attacking me.
At least you will probably know the wolves are coming. Not so with a surprise attack by a mountain lion.
Voted yes, but I also love wolves.
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Re: Ballot for Reintroduction of Wolves

Post by JChitwood » Thu Nov 07, 2019 6:10 pm

Voted yes but I like all wildlife. I’m not sure how much danger there is to humans as I can’t recall the last confirmed attack in North America. Seems like a runner was killed in Alaska a few years back but it was never proven wolves did it. Coyotes are probably as much a threat to people. Ranchers will just block it like they block everything. And if they don’t block it they’ll shoot every wolf on sight like poor M56.
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Re: Ballot for Reintroduction of Wolves

Post by Cygnus X1 » Thu Nov 07, 2019 6:25 pm

XterraRob wrote:
Thu Nov 07, 2019 5:22 pm
Grizzly Bears and Wolves need to be reintroduced into the wild to help cull the Californian immigrant population.
The only benefit of wolves Rob. Unfortunately, reality is that wolves would severely cull the deer, elk, and moose populations in CO. Before wolves were released in the Yellowstone area, the elk population was estimated at about 19,000. Ten years later the elk population was less than 5000. In Idaho, the Lolo region went from 13,000 elk in 1994 to less than 2000 in 2016. Wolves are killing machines, they have decimated Shiras moose populations from 50 to 90% throughout the northern Rockies.

Colorado is not un-populated Yellowstone! Way more people in the back country of CO than in Yellowstone. There will be wolf-human conflicts if it were to take place. Wolves will NOT stay in wilderness areas, or just on Forest Service land, or even just on the West Slope. Wolves will travel anywhere they damn well please and eat whatever they damn well want. Wolves see other canines as competition. They don't hesitate killing livestock and pets.

Backers of releasing wolves in CO say it's to "restore balance to the ecosystem" and spin the image of wolves as just big cuddly dogs. And people believe that BS! I very much prefer the current balance that strives to maintain and improve habitat for and populations of deer, elk, and moose in Colorado, not wipe them out through uncontrolled predation by wolves. I sure hope the majority of voters also prefer the balance just as it is. I'm just not optimistic that will be the case.
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Re: Ballot for Reintroduction of Wolves

Post by Cygnus X1 » Thu Nov 07, 2019 6:34 pm

JChitwood wrote:
Thu Nov 07, 2019 6:10 pm
Voted yes but I like all wildlife. I’m not sure how much danger there is to humans as I can’t recall the last confirmed attack in North America. Seems like a runner was killed in Alaska a few years back but it was never proven wolves did it. Coyotes are probably as much a threat to people. Ranchers will just block it like they block everything. And if they don’t block it they’ll shoot every wolf on sight like poor M56.
August attack in Canada.

https://www.nbcnews.com/news/us-news/fa ... d-n1043071
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Re: Ballot for Reintroduction of Wolves

Post by SkaredShtles » Thu Nov 07, 2019 6:41 pm

Cygnus X1 wrote:
Thu Nov 07, 2019 6:25 pm
and spin the image of wolves as just big cuddly dogs. And people believe that BS.
You mean, as opposed to someone claiming they are bloodthirsty, ravenous killers posing a threat to kids, doggies, and kittens?

Would you care to corroborate your elk and moose claims with actual data? I'd be interested to see it...
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Re: Ballot for Reintroduction of Wolves

Post by Cygnus X1 » Thu Nov 07, 2019 8:04 pm

SkaredShtles wrote:
Thu Nov 07, 2019 6:41 pm
Cygnus X1 wrote:
Thu Nov 07, 2019 6:25 pm
and spin the image of wolves as just big cuddly dogs. And people believe that BS.
You mean, as opposed to someone claiming they are bloodthirsty, ravenous killers posing a threat to kids, doggies, and kittens?

Would you care to corroborate your elk and moose claims with actual data? I'd be interested to see it...
Yellowstone elk population:
https://missoulian.com/news/local/years ... 0fc93.html

Lolo elk population:
https://www.spokesman.com/blogs/outdoor ... erd-break/

Moose impact:
http://www.montanaoutdoor.com/2017/02/d ... ern-moose/
https://wildlife.utah.gov/wolf/pdf/utah ... 018-12.pdf (map on pg 11)
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Re: Ballot for Reintroduction of Wolves

Post by Jorts » Thu Nov 07, 2019 8:12 pm

Cygnus X1 wrote:
Thu Nov 07, 2019 6:25 pm
XterraRob wrote:
Thu Nov 07, 2019 5:22 pm
Grizzly Bears and Wolves need to be reintroduced into the wild to help cull the Californian immigrant population.
Unfortunately, reality is that wolves would severely cull the deer, elk, and moose populations in CO. Before wolves were released in the Yellowstone area, the elk population was estimated at about 19,000. Ten years later the elk population was less than 5000. In Idaho, the Lolo region went from 13,000 elk in 1994 to less than 2000 in 2016. Wolves are killing machines, they have decimated Shiras moose populations from 50 to 90% throughout the northern Rockies.
I cannot speak to your presupposition about the sharp decline in ungulates. But I'm reminded of this video from some time ago about the effects of reintroduction of wolves in Yellowstone:



Not sure how I feel about reintroduction. Our higher population density is a concern.
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Re: Ballot for Reintroduction of Wolves

Post by peter303 » Thu Nov 07, 2019 10:02 pm

XterraRob wrote:
Thu Nov 07, 2019 5:22 pm
Grizzly Bears and Wolves need to be reintroduced into the wild to help cull the Californian immigrant population.
+Like

Other benefits I have heard include:
-Elk overrun Rocky Mountain Park at triple carrying capacity. The park has fenced off areas to prevent total loss of vegetation from hungry elk. An alternative to allow elk hunts inside the park, which is occasionally done.
-Beavers have returned to Yellowstone after wolf reintroduction. Their elk most of the willows that also sustain beaver.
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Re: Ballot for Reintroduction of Wolves

Post by daway8 » Thu Nov 07, 2019 10:26 pm

If this passes we'll need to add another section header on the website:

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2019-11-07 The pack just ate 3 Californians, that should tide them over through the weekend - get your summit attempt in before they get hungry again!
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