Yes, and I believe an older version of this sentiment was expressed by the aforementioned Maurice Herzog, "There are other Annapurnas in the lives of men." Not sure that either of these quotes makes any individual undertaking more or less of an adventure.Bombay2Boulder wrote:In an interview with the New York Times, Jorgeson said he hopes their remarkable achievement, a feat that was once seen as impossible, "inspires people to find their own Dawn Wall, if you will." Everyone, he said, "has their own secret Dawn Wall to complete one day, and maybe they can put this project in their own context."
Maybe I'm confused, but I always thought type 3 fun was "It's fun to talk about how bad it was." Probably there are different definitions. Yours makes sense too, it's just not the one I've heard before.TallGrass wrote:Type 3 Fun: It wasn't fun for you then, nor now, but your "friends" sure seem to enjoy reminding you of it.
Indeed, I believe I was employing the rhetorical device of hyperbole in this case.Scott P wrote:Soling Ariana on the Diamond in winter in an hour would probably be in the league of what Buhl did on Nanga Parbat.
The only place I can think of that supposedly has a lot of FAs left is the area west of Grand Junction, supposedly lots of difficult and ranked low-elevation buttes and such. Still, for any given sample of someone doing something outside in Colorado, I believe my statement is true. I think it would take a lot of obscure butte baggers to add up to a tiny fraction of the people doing the already-done things, hence, if you're a random sample person doing something outside in Colorado, it has almost certainly been done before/etc., because by statistics, you're almost certainly doing something relatively popular. Not sure if that makes sense, but I think it does?Scott P wrote:This is probably true on the 14ers and in the densely populated areas, but there are still several un-climbed peaks in Colorado and plenty of un-climbed routes as well. "Almost certainly" is not accurate in many regions. You just need to get out more.
I don't think we disagree on this point, in fact I said in the OP that there are people on this board who certainly qualify as "adventurers" by the most stringent criteria. I'm not one, possibly never will be. Only you can judge whether you are. I do not know of any published statistics (probably some exist somewhere), but I would hazard a guess that a significant majority of people in the world who attempt "big mountains" (define that how you will) use a guide.Scott P wrote:There are plenty of us who have climbed plenty of foreign mountains without a guide.
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I hope everyone realizes that the OP was 50% boredom, 30% exaggeration, and 20% serious.