Palm Springs C2C hike

[dleebuddy]

When I read "C2C" I initially translated that to "Sea to Sea". At the risk of digressing.....Does anyone know of big vertical climbs that start at a sea (like the beach) and return there as well? I see the post about Badwater to Telescope (bonus points for below sea level!).

Hikes in Hawaii spring to mind; Alaska as well.

Thoughts?

[bonehead]

Back to San J.
By verticle releif I was not referring to prominence.
That has been debated to death.
I mean the foot of the mountain to the peak.
Whitney would be well under 10k.
I do not start from some arbitrary point 50 or 100 miles away.

[AndyJB444]

Back to San J.
By verticle releif I was not referring to prominence.
That has been debated to death.
I mean the foot of the mountain to the peak.
Whitney would be well under 10k.
I do not start from some arbitrary point 50 or 100 miles away.

Would Telescope Peak from Shorty's qualify as arbitrary? Its 11,300ft of gain.

[bonehead]

Always interested to learn something new.
Thanks for expanding my horizon.
Pat

[tlongpine]

Back to San J.
By verticle releif I was not referring to prominence.
That has been debated to death.
I mean the foot of the mountain to the peak.
Whitney would be well under 10k.
I do not start from some arbitrary point 50 or 100 miles away.

I'm not referring to prominence either, but I think you're confusing "vertical relief" w/ ORS (Spire Measure): http://www.peaklist.org/spire/" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

"Vertical relief", on the other hand, is the "quantitative measurement of vertical elevation change in a landscape. It is the difference between maximum and minimum elevations within a given area..."

The given area in this example is the 3.1 million square miles of the "lower 48."

So, the answer to "wouldn't Mount Rainier have the greatest vertical relief in the lower 48?" is "No. Badwater Basin to Mt. Whitney the greatest vertical relief in the lower 48." Being the highest/lowest points this, truely, is a no-brainer.

I think the question thats meant to be asked is "What TH-to-summit trail covers the most vertical relief?" and I don't know the answer to that question.

[SeracZack]

Not in the lower 48, but...

Icy Bay (0') to Mount St. Elias (18,008'), in 10 miles.

[bonehead]

Hey longpine.
Can't just take my word for what I mean?
Twisting words is a no win game.
Anal got nothing on you.

[tlongpine]

Hey longpine.
Can't just take my word for what I mean?
Twisting words is a no win game.
Anal got nothing on you.

No. You're trying to assign your own meaning to terms while also offering "corrections" to those who, for the sake of coherency, conform to the established vernacular.

If you're concerned that your words are being twisted then I encourage you to know what it is you want to say, and to employ the appropriate words.

[bonehead]

"What TH-to-summit trail covers the most vertical relief?" and I don't know the answer to that question.

You use the same words as I
yet you pounce on me.
Give it up.
No points here to be scored.

[ChrisinAZ]

I haven't done it, but very much want to! There are only a couple of legit, commonly accepted routes that have a gross and net 10k gain and that can be done in a day. Besides C2C, there's Shorty's Well up Telescope, and the trail up Haleakala (on which Kimo wrote an amazing TR--this one's probably best done as a multi-day trip though). There's also one up White Mountain Peak, but I haven't heard of many people doing it, and it looks less exciting.

With C2C, the best time of year to hit it undoubtedly seems to be around October, perhaps a bit later in the year if the summit's received minimal/no snow. I hear there's a section shortly before the tram that often ices over in winter/spring, and where a slip could be fatal, so that's something to keep in mind.

For those who haven't been to the area, the vertical relief of these peaks is just stunning--picture Mt. Evans looming right above Denver with no intervening foothills, then add another thousand or two feet to the top. From atop higher neighboring San Gorgonio (11,400'), you can look down into the Salton Sea basin, which is 200' below sea level. Barring perhaps Rainier or Adams, and (almost) Telescope there's virtually nowhere else in the lower 48 you can encounter such a significant drop from the summit of a mountain.

[tlongpine]

"What TH-to-summit trail covers the most vertical relief?" and I don't know the answer to that question.

You use the same words as I
yet you pounce on me.
Give it up.
No points here to be scored.

Yes.
But in the correct context.
Not trying to score points.
Trying to prevent confusion.

Bonehead.
Suddenly
the name makes sense.
Epiphany.

[painless4u2]

Now, now you guys. Simmer down. Let's try to stay on subject here.

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