1st Hand Account of Women Stuck on Longs
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Re: 1st Hand Account of Women Stuck on Longs
The account states they were searching for "the entrance" to Clark's Arrow and wished to "go through" Clark's Arrow. If they ascended Keplinger's, which they think they did, then there is no reason to start at the Loft, descend Clark's, and cross Keplinger's. They'd already be at the top of Keplinger's! Perhaps slightly right for the easier scrambling. Just hook a left at the Palisades.
Previous posters have already mentioned that the GPS route incorrectly goes far right of Keplinger's up to the Loft. The same website provides a route picture which shows the proper route left of the GPS track, however the ladies might not have been able to see the proper route in poor weather (they probably didn't have service until the Loft, so phoning in a forecast would be tough). I likely would have made the same decision as them given their current information and circumstances, though with better route familiarity.
They followed the incorrect GPS track until the batteries died. I think that is where the issue began and why those experienced with the route are confused; they didn't actually take Keplinger's Couloir, either up or down.
From their description and the GPS, I think they left Keplinger's couloir early:
Now, there's baseless, ignorant speculation with poor facts (like the original thread), and there's also informed speculation. Now that we have their statement, speculation actually has a basis. But of course, my opinion isn't valid because I'm a 20 something and the majority of posters here are actually 30s-60s with fully developed, functioning brains and an inherent wealth of mountaineering knowledge.
Previous posters have already mentioned that the GPS route incorrectly goes far right of Keplinger's up to the Loft. The same website provides a route picture which shows the proper route left of the GPS track, however the ladies might not have been able to see the proper route in poor weather (they probably didn't have service until the Loft, so phoning in a forecast would be tough). I likely would have made the same decision as them given their current information and circumstances, though with better route familiarity.
They followed the incorrect GPS track until the batteries died. I think that is where the issue began and why those experienced with the route are confused; they didn't actually take Keplinger's Couloir, either up or down.
From their description and the GPS, I think they left Keplinger's couloir early:
Now, there's baseless, ignorant speculation with poor facts (like the original thread), and there's also informed speculation. Now that we have their statement, speculation actually has a basis. But of course, my opinion isn't valid because I'm a 20 something and the majority of posters here are actually 30s-60s with fully developed, functioning brains and an inherent wealth of mountaineering knowledge.
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Re: 1st Hand Account of Women Stuck on Longs
Nicely done Monster5. Awesome. That has me even more amazed. Keplinger's is such a natural line. Even in poor conditions they should have been able to find it and if conditions were that bad they could not find the couloir, it was a definite no go...... at my risk acceptance level.
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Re: 1st Hand Account of Women Stuck on Longs
From their report:
If anything, it can get a lot worse.
I have read nothing unusual about the weather on Longs Peak. Windspeeds have been recorded up there over 200mph. Not sure expectations were lined up with reality here.We had no idea whether the highly unusual weather would continue or even worsen.
If anything, it can get a lot worse.
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Re: 1st Hand Account of Women Stuck on Longs
Unless one had significant experience on the Loft and in Keplingers beforehand, I don't think one would stand much of a chance of finding one's way from Keplingers to the Loft in crappy weather.
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Re: 1st Hand Account of Women Stuck on Longs
Why's everyone getting all butthurt by the analysis? Get over it. It's fun.
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BHallDDS wrote:Why's everyone getting all butthurt by the analysis? Get over it. It's fun.
all this speculation is like a trip to the dentist
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Re: 1st Hand Account of Women Stuck on Longs
Haha, some people hate it, some people don't.12ersRule wrote:BHallDDS wrote:Why's everyone getting all butthurt by the analysis? Get over it. It's fun.
all this speculation is like a trip to the dentist
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Yeah, lets wait to hear from those involved........ oh wait.12ersRule wrote: all this speculation is like a trip to the dentist
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Re: 1st Hand Account of Women Stuck on Longs
You know what? I think they were trapped behind the Wal-Mart in Boulder.BHallDDS wrote:From their first-hand account when they talk about "downclimbing to find Clark's arrow only to end up at 200 ft cliffs", this makes me think they went up either the yellow, red or even the green route (therefore, not Keplinger's at all) and then ascended to the tops of the Palisades (indicated by the green arrows) hence, being at the edge of the cliffs. I've never been in either of those couloirs some I'm not sure how nasty they are. But if they are anything like Keplinger's, certainly gross.
Why's everyone getting all butthurt by the analysis? Get over it. It's fun.
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Re: 1st Hand Account of Women Stuck on Longs
Let me see if I've gotten all the options discussed so far...
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Re: 1st Hand Account of Women Stuck on Longs
Everyone else is posting maps with possible routes they took, so I'm going the club. I mean, I don't want to be all
EDIT: Damn, highpilgrim don't go ruining my fun. I don't want to be all butthurt again
Butthurt by the analysis. Get over it. It's fun.
EDIT: Damn, highpilgrim don't go ruining my fun. I don't want to be all butthurt again
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Re: 1st Hand Account of Women Stuck on Longs
Now we are getting somewhere.
All we need now is a Camp Gladiator contingent ensconced on the Loft, dressed in workout attire, doing cone drills.
All we need now is a Camp Gladiator contingent ensconced on the Loft, dressed in workout attire, doing cone drills.
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