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Re: Where is the SNOW!!!

Postby benners » Wed Apr 17, 2013 10:13 am

Who do Arizona and New Mexico always find it appropriate to diarrhea all over our state?

Re: Where is the SNOW!!!

Postby Bean » Wed Apr 17, 2013 10:13 am

benners wrote:Who do Arizona and New Mexico always find it appropriate to diarrhea all over our state?

You forgot Utah. They hate us for our beer.
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Re: Where is the SNOW!!!

Postby leggaj5 » Wed Apr 17, 2013 10:18 am

Out of curiosity, how does the dust affect melting/composition/skiability of the snow (besides the coloration)?

Re: Where is the SNOW!!!

Postby Bean » Wed Apr 17, 2013 10:22 am

leggaj5 wrote:Out of curiosity, how does the dust affect melting/composition/skiability of the snow (besides the coloration)?

Rapidly accelerates melting. Skiability is negatively impacted, not so much by the feel (though there's some impact, it's relatively minor IMO - others may disagree) but more by the fact that your window to ski in the morning is shortened drastically. Dust makes the snow rapidly go from bulletproof to unsupportive mush when the sun hits it.
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Re: Where is the SNOW!!!

Postby ajkagy » Wed Apr 17, 2013 10:23 am

leggaj5 wrote:Out of curiosity, how does the dust affect melting/composition/skiability of the snow (besides the coloration)?


18-35 fewer days of snowcover and a much faster melt.

"(SBBSA) in the San Juan Mountains of
southwest Colorado. Previously, Painter et al. [2007] isolated
the effects of dust from other controls and showed with a twoyear data set that the acceleration of melt by the shortwave
radiative forcing of dust results in a shortening of snow cover
duration in southwest Colorado by 18–35 days"

https://jifresse.ucla.edu/press/Painteretal_DustRadiative.pdf
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Re: Where is the SNOW!!!

Postby bergsteigen » Wed Apr 17, 2013 11:09 am

Bean wrote:
benners wrote:Who do Arizona and New Mexico always find it appropriate to diarrhea all over our state?

You forgot Utah. They hate us for our beer.


Utah is catching up in the beer front. Moab Brewery was pretty good Monday. Tonight I'll check out Epic, which I've heard good things about.

Back on topic... Darn spring wind storms out west! Always a race between snowpack stabilization and the dust events, to get in any decent steep/peak skiing ](*,)
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Re: Where is the SNOW!!!

Postby shaunster_co » Wed Apr 17, 2013 2:13 pm

lordhelmut wrote:
EatinHardtack wrote:Anyone have any pics from the SJ's with regards to the dust? Trying to figure out the weekend.


Another request for pics. Thanks.



These were taken last weekend (4.13.13). Grand Turk summit near Molas Pass & Red Mountain #3 summit. There is a dust layer about 20cm down but it is not affecting stability..yet. This was before the storm they received Sunday, and before the dust event that occurred last night. Everything above 11k was nice, below that beginning isothermic, mashed potatoes by 11am. Granted there is dust down there, it was mostly concentrated around Ophir Pass area and on east aspects from what we could tell.

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Summit Red Mountain #3 looking north
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Re: Where is the SNOW!!!

Postby geojed » Wed Apr 17, 2013 4:58 pm

New snowpack maps are up. Statewide is at 84%. Colorado river at 94%!
San Juan's aren't doing too hot as these storms have been missing them.

http://www.co.nrcs.usda.gov/snow/snow/state/current/daily/maps_graphs/index.html

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Re: Where is the SNOW!!!

Postby ajkagy » Wed Apr 17, 2013 5:21 pm

geojed wrote:New snowpack maps are up. Statewide is at 84%. Colorado river at 94%!
San Juan's aren't doing too hot as these storms have been missing them.

http://www.co.nrcs.usda.gov/snow/snow/state/current/daily/maps_graphs/index.html



nice! definitely helping a TON. Looks like more this weekend.
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Re: Where is the SNOW!!!

Postby Mark A Steiner » Wed Apr 17, 2013 5:50 pm

Correct about the San Juans. Checked CDOT webcams @ Lawson Hill and Rico: http://www.cotrip.org (Road Conditions). Only a thin covering at Lawson and almost no snow at Rico. The Dunton Hot Springs web cam hasn't been reporting for several weeks. This area is, of course, the first in Colorado to receive the red (pink) snow coloration from the high deserts of AZ and UT and with it, rapid dissipation of the snow pack later.
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Re: Where is the SNOW!!!

Postby KyleS » Wed Apr 17, 2013 8:58 pm

Wolf Creek Pass got about 6" nice, buttery snow in the last 24 hours to cover up all the dust from yesterday. It was still snowing lightly at 5pm.

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Re: Where is the SNOW!!!

Postby JTOlson26 » Wed Apr 17, 2013 9:10 pm

Based on a few webcams, it looks like Woodland Park got some snow so that bodes well for some of the front range areas above Colorado Springs. Those places had mainly been missed the last couple go-arounds.

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