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Fletch wrote:Big THANKS to Alpinedude (Keegan) and the rest of the AAC for hosting the pre-party. And many thanks to those who let me have a beer. I owe you anytime.
Great to see everyone.
So did he win you over, Fletch?
Fletch wrote:I felt like I was at a sales conference and he was the key note speaker (to 'encourage us' to sell more...).
Same feeling I get when reading his books, thanks for the summation.
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Oh, and whoever asked if he'd ever "conquered any Colorado 14ers"...
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"There have been joys too great to describe in words, and there have been griefs upon which I cannot dare to dwell; and with those in mind I say, 'Climb if you will, but remember that courage and strength are nought without prudence, and that a momentary negligence may destroy the happiness of a lifetime. Do nothing in haste, look well to each step, and from the beginning think what may be the end.'" - Edward Whymper
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Preso was way to mom & pop for the forum, but is was good I suppose. Would have been better at a sales conference for sure.
I learned about and signed up to volunteer at Big City Mountaineers, which seems like a great org.
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Fletch wrote:Dave B wrote:So did he win you over, Fletch?
Alright, you got me. My thoughts (and they are just mine, so take away what you will):
He was very charming, very polished, and a very good speaker. I enjoyed last night very much, but mostly because I got to hang out with everybody here (14ers.com and CMC crowds). He showed us his books a few times (go figure), continued to defend himself over 1996 (I presume he does that every time), and plugged Wittaker/First Ascent (which he gets paid to do), so I wasn't all that suprised. Nor as to the content (Endeavour 8,000). And it's quite obvious, he's a capitalist.
My main critique would be that I would have liked to see him talk to us more as climbers (it was at the CMC/AAC after all) and less as some motivational seminar. I felt like I was at a sales conference and he was the key note speaker (to 'encourage us' to sell more...). He could have done that speech with his eyes closed. You could tell he has done that speech a bazillion times. He even had the slides perfectly timed to his 'jokes.'
I guess I'm still baffled by the guy. Obviously, he's a great climber, great speaker, etc. But I never really got the impression that he was letting us into his world at all. It was almost like he was telling us stuff he thought we should hear, not stuff we wanted to hear. Like, yes I know how tall Mt Rainier is (he actually read off the elevation at one point). Slight nuance (and I'm probably being picky), but that was my impression.
And I never knew how short he is. Who knew?
Conclusion: I still think he's very motivated to get paid to climb. He's also very accomplished and probably a good dude away from all the smoke that gets blown up his rear. But, the jury is still out for me. Oh well, just have to go to another one of these things.
Well said. This is pretty much how I felt, and what I expected to find. I would have liked to have met him and asked some actual questions...like what he thinks of Lib Ridge
Also - he never said anything about his "mistake" on K2, which I found very surprising. He seemed to say "If you make the right decision you will ALWAYS be ok. That's what I did and look at me."
I was grateful to get the book signed tho!! (thanks Keegan!!!!!!!!)
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SurfNTurf wrote:it was basically a regurgitation of No Shortcuts to the Top.
Yeah, I agree with that. But, hey, I hadn't read the book for a quite a while. I also agree with Fletch that I wish he could have tailored his speech more towards an actual mountaineering crowd. I pretty much expected the sales pitchy/self-promotion stuff (he at least tries to be a little self-deprecating about it all). But I enjoyed it nonetheless. I was pleasantly surprised that he's a decent speaker after witnessing his "acting" on a few occasions.
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I saw Cory Richards speak a while back, and left feeling a lot more impacted after his presentation. It did seem like this one was more of a presentation to non-hikers. (and it seemed like he had to point out at every chance that he does not use O's, and then point out which people on the climbs do use them)
Again, he's a badass in my book for his talents, I just figured his presentation would blow us away, after doing them for so many years!
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marie123 wrote:I saw Cory Richards speak a while back, and left feeling a lot more impacted after his presentation.
Was there too, but not last night. Cory is probably less used to talking to crowds than Ed so he just talked like a normal person would.
Side note: Saw Cory and his wife at Movement the other day. His wife is a beast climber.
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