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What would be a reasonable fee for a popular 14er?

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What would be a reasonable fee for accessing a popular 14er?

$0
117
54%
less than $5
23
11%
$5
35
16%
$10
21
10%
$20
12
6%
more than $20
8
4%
 
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What would be a reasonable fee for a popular 14er?

Postby Jim Davies » Sun Aug 19, 2012 10:55 am

As discussed in this thread, a new study by a CSU professor says that most users wouldn't mind paying an access fee for climbing popular 14ers (such as Bierstadt, Grays & Torreys, Decalibron). What would you consider a reasonable fee?
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Re: What would be a reasonable fee for a popular 14er?

Postby ThuChad » Sun Aug 19, 2012 11:15 am

Answer: $0 for an individual 14er.

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Re: What would be a reasonable fee for a popular 14er?

Postby bonehead » Sun Aug 19, 2012 11:18 am

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Re: What would be a reasonable fee for a popular 14er?

Postby dpage » Sun Aug 19, 2012 11:52 am

I would like to think for most of the 14ers that are accessed by public lands that the National Lands/Interagency pass would allow me not to pay an additional fee. I buy that pass to access the National Parks that are close by, use the Mt Evans area without paying another fee, etc. I get more than my money's worth from the amount I use those areas when compared to what a day/week use would cost.

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Re: What would be a reasonable fee for a popular 14er?

Postby d_baker » Sun Aug 19, 2012 11:54 am

I voted less than $5.
But, I would only be a 'fan' of that fee if the money went to a positive fund that could help hikers (e.g., local SAR teams, CFI, LNT awareness pushes, etc.).

I also like the idea that someone posted in the other thread about the license plate option. I would pay for that plate.
OR, a seasonal 14er pass like park passes one can buy I think would be a fair option. That is if there's going to be an inevitable fee associated with hiking on our public lands.

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Re: What would be a reasonable fee for a popular 14er?

Postby Hungry Jack » Sun Aug 19, 2012 12:12 pm

I voted $0-5, but at this point I think only 14ers in NPs should carry a fee. NPs have a much larger infrastructure designed to accommodate gobs of tourists as compared to a 14er in National Forest land. Thus the need for the revenue.

But $5 to summit Mt. Lincoln or Sherman? Any CO 14er is an unusual place, but I certainly do not see these places as special.

My argument ignores the fact that recreation lands in general are underfunded. In general I believe you should pay for what you use, and I am not opposed to the NFS trying to raise more money through user fees. I don't mind paying $10-$15 for a camp site that has a table and water and a pit toilet provided nearby. I'll pay $20 if it has a hot shower.

But slapping a $5 fee on a 14er seems an inefficient way to address the issue. If a van full of people head up to Kite Lake and picnic and goof around in the basin but don't summit Democrat, do they pay? It seems the appropriate thing is to charge for parking, which directly ties to consumption of the road and at least some of the trails.
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Re: What would be a reasonable fee for a popular 14er?

Postby susanjoypaul » Sun Aug 19, 2012 12:24 pm

I do not want to pay a fee
It costs enough, with gas, you see
And gear and food, why golly gee
No fee for you, and none for me.

Public lands for public use
Don't charge me please, there's no excuse
It's tight enough, forget the noose
Or I may have to drop a deuce.

Per-peak for this, per-peak for that
I will not pay and that is that.
It's time to bring this to a halt
(Though surely it is all Bill's fault).

I've made my point and will move on
You've pissed me off and I am done.

I will not pay 14er fees,
I will not pay them... Jim Davies.

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Re: What would be a reasonable fee for a popular 14er?

Postby TCUTED » Sun Aug 19, 2012 12:41 pm

Problems with fees to access 14ers:

Introducing an extra fee will probably achieve the opposite effect of what is intended through a couple of reasons.

1. It will reduce the amount of human traffic out there, just the rumor "You have to pay to hike 14ers" will basically discourage half the people who wish to start going. Removing public interest will certainly be bad monetarily, at least in the long run.

2. Charging fees furthers the notion that hiking/mountaineering is reserved for the rich elite (even if the fee isn't that much) and really turns people off, and actually makes people dis-like climbing/climbers etc.

3. Undoubtedly it will increase the number of rescues performed every year: Essentially, now that you have invested money into your summit, you are going to go for it, damned the consequences. So more money spent by SAR.

4. Lastly, I feel this fee is hugely unamerican, it is one thing to charge money for national parks who have employees, and facilities for you to use, but to flat up charge someone just to walk around on public land?

My Vote? Donation boxes, with a good explanation regarding what the donation money goes to and does. There is a bad taste associated with a mandatory fee, no matter how small or large. By removing the mandatory aspect of a fee, you fix a lot of the other problems. In the short term you might not get as much money, but in the long run I think opting for donations instead of fees will pay huge dividends.

Need to think about the psychological aspects of a required fee, and how it affects things in the long run, yes most people on this site would probably be willing to pay a small fee for 14er access, but think about people who have yet to get "the bug", think about the next generation of climbers.

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Re: What would be a reasonable fee for a popular 14er?

Postby Jim Davies » Sun Aug 19, 2012 12:54 pm

susanjoypaul wrote:I will not pay 14er fees,
I will not pay them... Jim Davies.

:D

While it may seem I favor fees
In fact I'm just shooting the breeze.
This poll I started as a hoot,
The messenger, please, do not shoot!
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Re: What would be a reasonable fee for a popular 14er?

Postby ajkagy » Sun Aug 19, 2012 1:02 pm

live4pc wrote:Donation is the reasonable way the federal government cannot afford enforcement at all.


that's why they hand the enforcement over to a private company...look at brainard lakes, high traffic area and the private company that enforces it always gets their money.
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Re: What would be a reasonable fee for a popular 14er?

Postby KizH » Sun Aug 19, 2012 1:59 pm

I think paying to hike a Fourteener is ridiculous; I'm against commercializing nature/ the "enclosure of the commons"/usurpation of public space and resources for commercial "gain." I agree that there probably wouldn't be that much "gain," and, if there were any profit from charging to climb Fourteeners, it probably would go into the hands of private corporations and not benefit the wilderness. I'm also all for an affordable vacation/outing.

I checked "Less than $5" in the survey right on the heels of reading about donation boxes (good idea, kind of) and parking fees (feasible for some of the Front Range fourteeners, I think, as long as the fees are collected and disbursed right back into line items for the parks (trail maintenance, etc.) by the DNR, maybe to benefit all the Fourteeners) The only reason I can think of to support collecting fees for hiking Fourteeners would be in the form of issuing permits so there is some sort of accountability and a way to enforce LNT hiking.

Even as a flatlander, I could see raising funds by adding $1 to license plate fees in-state, and then charging out-of-state vehicles $5 for 24 hrs. of parking at the Front Range fourteeners.

If only there were a way to engineer a deposit system so that people who port out their trash and their poop bags could get some sort of a rebate.
I guess the transfer stations would have to be high enough on the trails that people couldn't just bring in their regular trash and (stuff) to collect $.
(ha!)

Maybe just rangers on-trail writing tickets for (any form of) littering and vandalism would do the trick.

oh, p.s., if the "scientist" who published that study wants to be more credible, she might have someone proofread her work. I read the re-posted quote as "Colorado-ans are unequivocally certain they're not going to pay a dime to hike a fourteener." (:

p.p.s I felt kind of smug when two young hikers were lectured and then escorted back to the trailhead by rangers at the Grand Canyon when the kids were discovered throwing rocks at a lizard. I think it would be laudable if Colorado developed a reputation for protecting its legacy that way-- ticketing for littering, etc.

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Re: What would be a reasonable fee for a popular 14er?

Postby SolarAlex » Sun Aug 19, 2012 2:20 pm

if they want to charge people, they should do it on the mountain...have rangers charge for littering, pooping on the trail, dogs pooping on the trail, feeding wildlife, harassing wildlife etc. that would probably be the only way i could support fees on 14ers (or really any mountain that is on public land)

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