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Re: What happened to Missy?

Postby MtHurd » Thu Aug 16, 2012 1:45 pm

BillMiddlebrook wrote::dead


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Re: What happened to Missy?

Postby crossfitter » Thu Aug 16, 2012 1:48 pm

While we're proposing petitions, I'd like to start one of my own banning other unsafe and undesirable practices:

[*] Permits are required for all attempts on Class 3 peaks or higher and all participants must pass a CMC basic mountaineering course or equivalent

[*] Children under the age of 18 must be accompanied by at least 2 adults per child

[*] Helmets and safety glasses must be worn at all times on slopes exceeding class 2 or 25 degrees of steepness

[*] Hiking in winter conditions is strictly forbidden when CAIC forecasts danger exceeding "low" on any aspect

[*] Wearing cotton at altitudes above 9000 ft while outside of city limits is strictly prohibited

[*] Each hiker in a group must carry a tent or bivvy sack, sleeping bag, camp stove, extra fuel, extra water, and extra food for all hikes exceeding 4 miles round-trip or more than 3000' elevation gain

[*] A $200 trash deposit is required on all backcountry permits and is only refunded if at least 1 12oz bag of feces and 2 liters of urine are returned per hiker.

[*] Effective immediately all mosquitoes are banned from flying above 5000 ft between the months of April and October.

[*] Lightning is no longer permitted to start before 4pm, with an allowable grace period starting at 3pm strictly for cloud-to-cloud strikes

[*] Finally, Let it be resolved that all 13ers be stripped of the title Mount or Peak and henceforth referred to as "mound" or "lump", respectively.


Frankly I think all of these ordinances should be passed, but just sign your name next to each one and we'll pass as many as possible.
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Re: What happened to Missy?

Postby NinjaKatie » Thu Aug 16, 2012 1:50 pm

I'm fairly certain Tony, Missy's master, is probably a good person, he had a dog, afterall. That does't mean he didn't make a monumental mistake in his lack of follow up in this situation. In today's world, it doesn't take a whole lot of effort to broadcast out to the world your dog is stuck on a mountain and you can't get to her. It took moments, on this particular site, to get people to go after her. Doesn't really matter about his character. As previously stated, this board isn't going to decide who will get custody of Lucky Missy, nor will it drive the opinion of those who will.

It is an EXCELLENT idea to form a group interested in performing rescues of animals left, lost, or stuck on a mountain. I pondered how easy it would have been, if the organizations that were contacted, instead of saying, "We rescue people, not dogs." would have been able to say, "We have a group of volunteers who are available to assist you...." The dog would have spent a day on the mountain, maybe less due to the unselfishness of those who went up in the dark, at sunrise, in the bad weather, the moment they knew.

I wish I was a better hiker because I'd be a part of it in two seconds. Good luck to the dog formally known as Missy and blessings galore to those who prepared and participated in her rescue. Thank you for the update!

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Re: What happened to Missy?

Postby KeithK » Thu Aug 16, 2012 2:02 pm

crossfitter wrote:
[*] Finally, Let it be resolved that all 13ers be stripped of the title Mount or Peak and henceforth referred to as "mound" or "lump", respectively.[/b]



Let me be the first to sign this one.
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Re: What happened to Missy?

Postby SurfNTurf » Thu Aug 16, 2012 2:05 pm

The Friends of Lucky group is a great idea on paper, but my praise ends there. A group of weekend warriors with minimal technical climbing, search-and-rescue or veterinary experience racing off to respond to every lost pet? That sounds more dangerous than beneficial. Would you rescue horses too, or would we need a Friends of Mr. Ed for that? Search and Rescue members complete years of intensive, ongoing training and still place themselves at considerable risk. Do you really think JohnnyDoglover97 will put forth that kind of effort before he straps on his helmet and runs off to play Search and Rescue?

If such a group had membership and training requirements similar to a typical SAR outfit, I could get behind it. I'd still wonder if those resources wouldn't be better allocated to saving, you know, people. But a group of random 14ers.com members who rescue dogs between summer Saturday trips to the Sawatch? Sounds like an actual SAR mission in the making.

The person who suggested a law against dogs on Class 3 literally made me walk away from my computer. It was even more ironic when the same guy posted a photo about "Overreaction." Since when did people lose sight of personal responsibility?
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Re: What happened to Missy?

Postby darryle » Thu Aug 16, 2012 2:10 pm

SurfNTurf wrote: Since when did people lose sight of personal responsibility?

I thought that's how this whole thing started?

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Re: What happened to Missy?

Postby MtHurd » Thu Aug 16, 2012 2:10 pm

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Re: What happened to Missy?

Postby BillMiddlebrook » Thu Aug 16, 2012 2:12 pm

But we're having SO much fun!!!
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Re: What happened to Missy?

Postby kushrocks » Thu Aug 16, 2012 2:24 pm

SurfNTurf wrote:The person who suggested a law against dogs on Class 3 literally made me walk away from my computer. It was even more ironic when the same guy posted a photo about "Overreaction." Since when did people lose sight of personal responsibility?


Thank you GOLDEN!!! Thats my boy. I couldnt agree more.
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Re: What happened to Missy?

Postby Presto » Thu Aug 16, 2012 2:24 pm

by crossfitter » Thu Aug 16, 2012 2:48 pm

[*] A $200 trash deposit is required on all backcountry permits and is only refunded if at least 1 12oz bag of feces and 2 liters of urine are returned per hiker.


:shock: :-&

[*] Effective immediately all mosquitoes are banned from flying above 5000 ft between the months of April and October.


Okay, I'll sign this one. :mrgreen:
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Re: What happened to Missy?

Postby RosieTheSummiter » Thu Aug 16, 2012 2:25 pm

Ridge runner wrote: I am going to do what I damn well please with my dog and police like you are not going to tell me otherwise.


Thank-you, Ridge runner. That is precisely the attitude to which I'm referring. Well done! =D>
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Re: What happened to Missy?

Postby Gueza » Thu Aug 16, 2012 2:34 pm

Bill, please don't lock this thread. It's GOLD
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