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Re: Report Says Ski Pass Holders Could Reduce Traffic

Postby prestone818 » Fri May 11, 2012 12:08 pm

EatinHardtack wrote:
prestone818 wrote:train is a great idea for vail and copper mountain. others not so much unless the resorts do a resort to train service. seems a little far fetched


What about a Loveland train stop?


not sure how i skipped that. multitasking is dangerous

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Re: Report Says Ski Pass Holders Could Reduce Traffic

Postby TravelingMatt » Fri May 11, 2012 12:21 pm

Every stop you add adds cost, increases journey time and requires more energy due to stopping and starting. Or if you run express trains that skip stops, versatility is reduced because fewer trains go to YOUR specific station. And if Loveland gets a station, why shouldn't Breckenridge, or the Black Hawk casinos, or Golden, or... see?

Yes, Acela is profitable. That's the only part of Amtrak that is. So when metro Denver's population hits 20 million and Summit County's hits 7 million, we can have a train. OK?
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Re: Report Says Ski Pass Holders Could Reduce Traffic

Postby ajkagy » Fri May 11, 2012 12:26 pm

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EatinHardtack wrote:It's too bad the Winter Park train went bye bye. A train would be sweet to see into the mountains. If anything it'll happen between Colorado Springs and Denver before the mountains get it. I am so thankful that I never have to drive I70.


This is the funny part, everyone says "build a ski train" when we had one that nobody used.


+1 ...if there were a train it would be a total flop. people love their cars too much. Besides, with urban sprawl summit county will just be a suburb of Denver in a few years :D
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Re: Report Says Ski Pass Holders Could Reduce Traffic

Postby EatinHardtack » Fri May 11, 2012 12:42 pm

ajkagy wrote:
its_not_a_tuba wrote:
EatinHardtack wrote:It's too bad the Winter Park train went bye bye. A train would be sweet to see into the mountains. If anything it'll happen between Colorado Springs and Denver before the mountains get it. I am so thankful that I never have to drive I70.


This is the funny part, everyone says "build a ski train" when we had one that nobody used.


+1 ...if there were a train it would be a total flop. people love their cars too much. Besides, with urban sprawl summit county will just be a suburb of Denver in a few years :D


Yep and there's your problem. American's like to be independent and do what they want when they want. Being on a train schedule doesn't give us the freedom that we usually crave. And we love our automobiles!
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Re: Report Says Ski Pass Holders Could Reduce Traffic

Postby prestone818 » Fri May 11, 2012 12:52 pm

Choo chooooo. All aboard 3:30am train to vail arriving at 8am is departing

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Re: Report Says Ski Pass Holders Could Reduce Traffic

Postby Jim Davies » Fri May 11, 2012 1:31 pm

The $15 billion train proposal assumed riders would pay $60 apiece to ride it. For a family of four, this is a total non-starter.

Subsidized buses would help the traffic jams considerably, but only if they were cheap, comfortable, and convenient. If you could get a $10 ride from Denver to Vail with free lockers for your gear at the resort, I think the buses would be packed, and each bus would remove 10-20 cars from the highway.
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Re: Report Says Ski Pass Holders Could Reduce Traffic

Postby Bean » Fri May 11, 2012 2:18 pm

EatinHardtack wrote:And we love our automobiles!

I hate mine, and the only reason I haven't gone car-free is because it's impossible for me to get to where I recreate without one.

The problem with the current non-car options is that they're more expensive than driving in a single occupant vehicle (even accounting for maintenance and such) AND inflexible on schedule. I'd love to not have to drive to the mountains, but not if it costs 4x as much as driving up with friends.
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Re: Report Says Ski Pass Holders Could Reduce Traffic

Postby benners » Fri May 11, 2012 2:25 pm

Bean wrote:The problem with the current non-car options is that they're more expensive than driving in a single occupant vehicle (even accounting for maintenance and such) AND inflexible on schedule.

Same problem with the damn Light Rails here in Denver! Where is my incentive to use mass transportation for the commute to work when driving myself is both cheaper and less annoying?

Re: Report Says Ski Pass Holders Could Reduce Traffic

Postby lordhelmut » Fri May 11, 2012 2:48 pm

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Bean wrote:The problem with the current non-car options is that they're more expensive than driving in a single occupant vehicle (even accounting for maintenance and such) AND inflexible on schedule.

Same problem with the damn Light Rails here in Denver! Where is my incentive to use mass transportation for the commute to work when driving myself is both cheaper and less annoying?


Amen. Mass transit in this state sucks.

As for I-70, maybe I'm missing something, but why don't they just prohibit commercial vehicles from travelling during peak skier traffic hours? Why don't most of those drivers head North to I-80 in Wyoming or South to I-40 in New Mexico and avoid the riff raff that is I-70 anyway?

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Re: Report Says Ski Pass Holders Could Reduce Traffic

Postby Jim Davies » Fri May 11, 2012 2:59 pm

lordhelmut wrote:As for I-70, maybe I'm missing something, but why don't they just prohibit commercial vehicles from travelling during peak skier traffic hours?

It might help a little, but the problem isn't the trucks, it's the volume of cars. This year's lousy snowpack was actually quite effective at helping with the problem - I only had a few slow drives this winter, and none of the two-hours-from-the-tunnel-to-Idaho-Springs days that were pretty common the previous season.
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Re: Report Says Ski Pass Holders Could Reduce Traffic

Postby prestone818 » Fri May 11, 2012 3:09 pm

trucks are a serious issue though. between having to wait for hazmat to go through eisenhower and backups from the 20 semis going 15 mph....its alot of unnecessary backups. the pm problem is the tunnel east of idaho. thats where i usually sigh as i go through and gain speed heading up the hill past the mine.

Re: Report Says Ski Pass Holders Could Reduce Traffic

Postby Bean » Fri May 11, 2012 3:21 pm

Jim Davies wrote:
lordhelmut wrote:As for I-70, maybe I'm missing something, but why don't they just prohibit commercial vehicles from travelling during peak skier traffic hours?

It might help a little, but the problem isn't the trucks, it's the volume of cars. This year's lousy snowpack was actually quite effective at helping with the problem - I only had a few slow drives this winter, and none of the two-hours-from-the-tunnel-to-Idaho-Springs days that were pretty common the previous season.

I had the misfortune of leaving Glenwood Springs at about 10am heading towards Denver a couple times, and got stopped up by the "harmonizing" traffic worse than I ever got stuck during the previous super-winter. The problem really is the trucks, but no one in power will actually do anything about that.

Good-ish news, a CDOT project to widen the EB bore at the twin tunnels to 3 lanes begins this summer. The bad news: it won't be done until next year.
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